This is hands down the best commentary I have read about the new regimes work at Y&R. Tactful and smart.
I don't agree with everything he's stated, especially that some of the veteran characters could be trimmed, but the cast is too large and that does need to be focused more.
Today for me was another uneven day, and it shows that certain stories aren't working for me.
Friday and Monday's were the best in a while. But today we had more of Dylan drawing...Billy and Victoria talking about the baby, while Billy thought of gambling...and I really still can't get behind the Tyler character.
I just finished watching today's ep and little held my interest. I do agree that the cast needs to be trimmed big time. They seemed to fix it only to add even more pointless newbies. The biggest issue I have with Josh's writing is that he is making the newbies leads and the vets supporting in a lot of these stories. Dylan, Leslie, Tyler, Avery should be supporting players. Instead their characters are driving a lot of story on the show. I am just having a hard time find the show engaging. 7 months into Josh's run the show should be in a great place creatively. Instead he's forcing his C and B characters on us and the show has been in a stand still. The best tales are the ones where vets are driving story. Unfortunately, that's only one story. The Lauren/Michael sage.
I'm not impressed with Josh.
OK, it was good and made some great points and would have to agree with a lot of his evaluation but not all. I don't think I would want 15 characters gone but some absolutely. The whole Phyllis\Christine sage he mentioned, I always knew the story Bill wished he wanted to forget was Lily, never heard nothing on the Phyllis\Christine.
Mine to be rid of: Kevin & Chloe, ran their course, I just can't stand them anymore. Dylan, Avery, Chelsea, time for Lily & Cane to leave. I wouldn't kill off none just send them away if you ever want to bring them back you could. Maybe nuAbby, but we need Abby and Kyle especially for what is happening to Summer. We don't need anymore new characters, no Rose, Courtney, or special guest arcs. Now having said that all soaps need new blood, all soaps have always brought in new blood to create story but than use the history of YR, it's so full and rich. Prime example what about Amy Lewis, or Paul's good friend Jazz both A-A. Jennifer Foster is same age group of Avery, Chelsea and has a strong connection to canvas...JILL! Lori Brooks would be fabulous pit against Nikki. Brooks Prentiss Leslie's son in age group of Dylan...you get my point. Tracy is home keep her and give a story, Tracy decides to adopt a baby. People would be more accepting on any those characters because there is a strong connection on canvas and use of history. People could have more investment with newbies.
Yeah, I just watched was just OK today, nothing like it had been the last week, but wasn't as bad as it had been in April. I think it was a let down after I've been enjoying the show again the past week. The one thing I did like about today was Victoria...at first I thought they are going to make Victoria look like a fool and Adam causes problems with Victor & her...but hey I was surprised by Victoria was on Adam's shiz and threw those papers at him...I liked that! They kept saying Victoria is like Victor than prove it and make Victoria a bitch on heels. I also liked Victor is going to be the one that finds something out about Adam and uses to his advantage to possibly wrestle the CEO position from Adam. Lily & Chloe was pretty good in each other's face. Time to rumble, pull out the Jim Beam shots I was ready! I don't like how they are handling Tyler\Lily saga, not feeling it. I will give props on one thing with Tyler he's improved since he started by leaps in the acting department. If they are going to put those two together Tily, I hope Josh doesn't do Lily having the affair, we are going through it now with Lauren, it needs to organic and it's not right, missing an element and not sure what yet. Maybe have Lily\Cane strongly disagree on something about one of the kids which causes problems and it escalates.
I think Billy is going to be set up or something is going to happen, either he will lose big time or get the crap beat out of him.
In all in was so-so not horrible but not like it has been lately.
I agreed with everything that was said in this commentary. Some of the vets just have to go. If you want "your" soap opera to stay on the air for another 40 yrs, you have to start thinking about the next generation. We want to see more of the "young" and "restless" characters, ones that we can identify with. I know you all think that I am all about Dylan but believe it or not I enjoy seeing a lot of the other characters as well. Just probably not the ones you are wanting to see. I would love to see the following characters on my screen everyday: Nick, Sharon, Noah, Summer, Phyllis, Chelsea, Avery, Dylan (shocker!) Cain, Lily (without nasty Tyler around) and yes even Adam. I could care less about anyone else on the show. I just can't relate to the "older vets"---Sorry just my opinion.
Good reading. I agree that Lauren/Michael's marriage drama is the best story right now. Marco Dapper puts much toot in my horn. Little sweetie.
jasam...it's nice to see you post about Y and R without trashing the Y and R fans. Thank you.
I can appreciate your comments about the next generation of Y and R. And it was actually MAB that aged a lot of them to bring them more into the story. Unfortunately she didn't utilize most of them during her tenure. JFP recasted most of them, and they are currently using Summer/Fen and Noah and Kyle to some extent. So both good and bad from the current team.
But for those that have watched the show for years, and will continue to watch for years...there needs to be a balance. They aren't going to tune in if THEIR favorites are written out and all the new or young characters are pushed down their throats. Soaps don't survive that way. The shows have to retain and hook new viewers. I guess you started watching to follow SB, which is great, and it sounds like you do like some of the existing legacy characters.
You just can't write out a lot of the vets because you're wanting the show to go for 40 more years. It has to be balanced.
Bill Bell did it right by having the right mix all of the time.
I watched religiously when I was in my teens and 20's and Kay, was "old" to me, was always featured. You just grow to love what you see every day.
I'll say it again, the best story is Micheal/Lauren. So many people can relate to it because after years of marriage, it happens. Both actors have done such a great job in their scenes, which keeps me watching.
I am also a GH viewer and always liked Steve Burton, but sorry, his Dylan character is just not working. They are making him out as "Mr. Perfect", drawing all these baby things and being so excited about being a father. In all honesty, wouldn't any guy question more about having a one night stand with someone,if he was really the father? It is just DUMB, and his over-excitement about it all seems so fake. And please STOP making Avery, Miss Cup-cake-Homemaker the lead actress of the show.
Kevin and Chloe need to end. The story of robbing from the rich has just become unbelievable. I wish somehow they could bring Jill back more often!
I started watching Y&R in 1991. The Clint/Marge storyline had just wrapped up. What I loved was sometimes 20 minutes in was when Katherine would be introduced for that episode. The people on for that day weren't just on in the opening teaser which I wasn't used to from any other soap.
I don't remember Kay having a storyline at that time but she was shown almost everyday at the mansion with Rex and people coming to the mansion to see her. It was the start of my love affair with Jeanne Cooper and Katherine Chancellor so I know what you're saying pferrando.
Maybe it's just my overall appreciation of the "multi-generational" storytelling that I've always loved, and that should still be a part of the soaps.
The Bauers on GL...Hughes on ATWT...there were always people of all ages on most the soaps. And those seemed to be the most successful too. I remember when SFT started to struggle and the first thing they did was force a bunch of "younger" characters on the screen. It NEVER works.
Today's Y and R was great seeing the Winters, and the Abbotts interacting as a family does. That's the type of soap I will always watch.
Summed it up perfectly, pferrando...regardless of age, you find a character fascinating you're drawn to that character. Growing up as early teen I LOVED Bert Bauer, Nancy Hughes, Katherine Chancellor screaming, doling out advice, setting the teen straight etc. but "back then" they had the younger set I loved growing up with intermixing with the vets. It's about relating that vet as mother, grandmother, grandfather etc. Why I still love my vets today.
Oh yes today's episode was very good how the family connections were mixing it up and that is the strength of any soap. It had it all today, family, loving romance with Lane, longing glances of "wanting" w\Tyler, loving the Michaelsons and intrigue on who's the picture taker?, you had some cattiness w\Phyllis & Avery, it was just overall solid and good today.
I was a happy camper!
YES! A very solid show. Very well rounded and mixed with vets and new characters/recasts. You really didn't notice it at all, and that is when you know it was done right.