I Think Johnny Dies The Night of The Club Opening

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Just a prediction thread, and I would love to hear everyone else's guesses for what happens that night, but this is how I see it how playing out. We all know about the rumors from months ago of Brandon Barash leaving and I think that he did agree to stay on long enough for them to write a proper exit.

- The night the Haunted Star reopens all of Johnny's secrets come out. Starr finds out he was behind the accident, Carly finds out about the accident and him killing Anthony and lying to her, and Johnny finds out who killed Delores sister, but refuses to tell her unless she protects him.

- Johnny's body winds up in the water, and ends up washing into the port. We then have a lengthy "whodunit" with Todd, Carly, Delores, Starr, Luke and LuLu as the key suspects.

- The returning Blair Cramer ends up being the shooter. She returns to Port Charles to see Starr perform at the opening and kills him when she overhears what he did to Cole and Hope.

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Have I just been watching too much TV? What do you think will happen?


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thebookerman wrote:
We all know about the rumors from months ago of Brandon Barash leaving and I think that he did agree to stay on long enough for them to write a proper exit.

Your theory is excellent.

I can see all of it happening except for Blair being the shooter. I think it would probably be someone not so connected to other characters and more expendable, such as Dolores.

Nevertheless, I think it's a great idea. I hope CarTini are watching!

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thebookerman,,Excellent theories!

Heather over hears Johnny confessing to Carly about killing Cole, Hope and AZ. She's still pissed that Johnny was messing with Steven and turns him in to Anna. Johnny goes on trial for all three murders, just as Starr receives a phone call from Marty that Patrick refused to believe their son and granddaughter were dead. Patrick searched the crash site area and found a delirious Cole and Hope living in a cabin and slipped them away from Port Charles. Starr is shocked that her boyfriend and daughter are still alive, but realizes that coming clean would mean Cole going back to prison in Llanview since he escaped during the prison blackout in November 2011. Starr is also falling for Michael and Trey. Is Starr going to do the right thing in order to let Johnny off the hook since Cole and Hope are alive? Or, will Starr keep her mouth shut since Johnny killed his own grandfather and she leaves Port Charles to go be with Cole, Hope, Patrick and Marty? By the way, Marty is on the run for killing her shrink back in Llanview last year!

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Glad you both like the idea. Even if it doesn't play out this way, I am sure GH has something big planned for that night.

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The bookerman-If any part of your theory/scenario plays out, I'd even add Kate/"Connie" into the mix of suspects as the writers have John Z framing "Connie" for shooting out Papa Z's tires. The alter may come out and spill the "deal" John made with "Connie" at the PCPD, with the stated goal in mind to have the bully turn his back on Kate. If John denies it, this could set up the alter to do the deed since Kate is known to hate guns. Just a thought. In any case, there will be a lot of unhappy fans should anything like this come to pass. BrBa is an excellent actor and his character still has much story to tell... Innocent

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You are so right Swan about MANY fans being angry if they kill off Johnny. CarTini already got a glimpse of how angry people would be, not sure they want to taste that again...

Anyway, if this stupid plot happens, I am for sure done with GH. Once BB is gone, bye-bye GH... I am already so mad at Cartini for throwing Johnny under the bus to pimp that disgusting Todd, if Carlivati lied on Twitter and Johnny is killed off, I will finally be done with GH after more than 20 years...

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So, you'd stop watching because one supporting character left? After 20 years?

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We all have our limits on what we can stand. I left within a week of Sam being written to sleep with Ric and Alexis being a beyotch during her cancer. The way they portrayed Sam was so over the top that when they had Alexis push Jason away from Sam and lie to everyone about her cancer, I was done.

I didn't come back until I heard somewhere that Sam and Jason were back together.

I hate that we might lose viewers now over one character or one story, but I completely understand it.

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the bookerman, like Nickskelton, I know I will stop watching if Johnny dies for sure also.

And I have been watching since 1979! But as Supermom so greatly said it, sometimes enough is enough... Johnny and Alexis are the last characters that I LOVE. I still like a lot Tracy and Patrick but I don't love them and I hate Sonny, Todd, Dante, Starr, Jason, Michael, Kristina, Shawn, Luke...

Why would I keep watching? I will have to stop soon anyway when they will cancel the show so why should I wait when Cartini is ruining Johnny for no other reason than pimping Todd who is a despicable character and pairing him with Carly. Throwing Johnny under the bus was really a stupid move as many fans love Johnny and I have read in many places about people saying they'll stop watching if Cartini will choose one of their stupid OLTL over a beloved GH one.

So my decision has been made for quite some time. They day BB is out, I will be done for good with GH. Enough of being pissed off after each show. It should remain a guilty pleasure and it just makes me angry most of the time, so time to give up if they get rid of one of my two last faves.

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I am the same as Eden (even if I started watching only 20 years ago). Enough is enough and I can't swallow the way they are destroying Johnny for their own OLTL agenda.

Guza had ruined Lulu by pairing her with Dante. Now Cartini is ruining my last favorite character Johnny (I don't care one bit about Jasam/Liason and FF them).

Emily is gone, Nik is gone, Lucky is gone, Alan is gone, Laura is gone, Ned and Dillon are gone... Robert was back 5 minutes and it was ridiculous. I love Anna but she is now sleeping with Luke which kills the character to me. Tracy is made a fool of. Alexis is always backburned. There is nothing left for me to watch and enjoy so the day my Johnny is killed off by those dummies, I am done and the huge reaction the week end in April people thought Brandon Barash was out of GH should give Cartini a clue! Because A LOT of people are VERY pissed off of what is being done to Johnny and I read that many will consider it the last drop out of the glass if they kill him off. And I may beat you to it Edenpark because I am not even sure that I can watch until they kill him.

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I can't believe how fickle some GH fans are!(not only here but other sites as well) It's amazing to me how quick some are to threaten to jump ship. Just because a story line is not going how you want or a couple has broken up(momentarily) or a character leaves. How I miss the days of no spoilers when everything was a surprise. Now people read spoilers and get all worked up about things that haven't happened yet and may not happen! Fickle, fickle fans...say what you will about OLTL ratings but they did have the most consistant, loyal fan base. Still miss that show but I am loving GH again after the dismal past few years.

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I have mixed feelings. I dont think people should leave over one character BUT at the same time this one stings because like sam they seem to be doing this to reward one character (and to make matters worse this time a OLTL character) by writing the penalized character, one who like sam is beloved by many in the viewing audience, completely ooc. Its not just a matter of oh they are writing him out, they are killing him off after a total character assassination and its coming at a time when they have already decimated the qs, they have destroyed a lot of the female characters and there arent a lot of pairings to root for on the canvas.

I get that the cast is too big and i get that the oltlers bring over an audience and okay it makes sense to abandon characters like maggie and ewan and maybe even sean that havent been around all that long and yeah maybe even send steve and olivia away since they havent caught on compared to the popularity that say t and b had on oltl but when you start getting to a character like johnny - i would argue he is way more popular with the GENERAL HOSPITAL AUDIENCE than roho adds. Youve basically gone from trimming away the fat to cutting at the bone.

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How judgemental some people can be... "fickle"...

What some people don't seem to get is that you don't stop watching suddenly because one character is leaving but because this character leaving is the last nail in the coffin. And I don't need spoilers to see how CarTini have ruined Johnny, thanks I have watched it with my own eyes for the past few months.

I fully agree with the posters who are saying everywhere that the treatment Johnny is getting is disgusting and the way Ron and Frank are throwing Johnny under the bus to pimp their beloved Todd instead is killing me.

I have already lost so many characters that I loved. SO this is it for me too, if Johnny is gone and Todd stays instead, I AM OVER with GH too. I guess I have to stop watching one day so let's the OLTL people enjoy GH instead of me who like so many have never stopped watching GH for more than 20 years now.

As EET said it perfectly

EricasEvilTwin wrote:
I get that the cast is too big and i get that the oltlers bring over an audience and okay it makes sense to abandon characters like maggie and ewan and maybe even sean that havent been around all that long and yeah maybe even send steve and olivia away since they havent caught on compared to the popularity that say t and b had on oltl but when you start getting to a character like johnny - i would argue he is way more popular with the GENERAL HOSPITAL AUDIENCE than roho adds. Youve basically gone from trimming away the fat to cutting at the bone.

By getting rid of Johnny, if CarTini are really stupid enough to do it, they are going to antagonize even more MANY viewers and I am convinced as EET that in the end this is faifhful GH viewers that they are going to lose for OLTL viewers. I just hope for the whole cast that those OLTL will keep watching because there is no way I will watch a disgusting character like Todd steal GH when Johnny is not here anymore...

Get rid of Steve and Olivia, of Maggie and Ewen, I don't fricking care but you touch Johnny ? This time it will be bye-bye GH...

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Sorry if my post upset anyone. Puzzled It was not meant to be judgmental. It was just a culmination of me being upset by reading on numerous sites comments of people threatening to stop watching 'until they fix Jasam' or 'the baby switch is over' or 'if Liason happens'. This comes at a time when GH is fighting for life on abc. I guess it's just my disappointment in some of the fans coming through. I have watched both GH & OLTL since the mid 70's and have already lost one show. Sad( I don't want to lose the other. BTW, I love all the characters of GH(well, most of them) and I don't want to see ANY of them go..esp. the popular core characters. Cartini has already felt the backlash when the BB rumor happened so it would be foolish for them to go there. And I also don't think we need any more OLTL peeps on contract..a visit maybe, but no more long term players.(and this is from a T&B fan) GH needs to remain GH!

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No problem GHLVR Smile
And I hope you are right regarding Johnny/BB... But Cartini are really writing him OOC and making it the Todd show so of course a lot of die hard GH fans are unhappy!

I used to love Todd and RH. But since he showed up at GH and has eaten alive the show and is trashing Johnny, I just hate that character and I regret he ever showed up in Port Charles. The only transplant I like is John Mc Bain (that I truly disliked on OLTL but who is great in PC... as long as he doesn't team up with SOnny!). I woudl love to see TSJ back as Trevor to reunite with Tea and then be gone. But my fave is Erika SLezak. She can show up whenever she wants as she truly is a classact.

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@aragorn, Get rid of Olivia? She's the second most entertaining female character on the show, after Carly.

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Bookerman I guess to each his own, but I dont think LLC has the same fan following that brandon has. I think she has a fan base but in the end you have to look at how many eyeballs each person brings to the table. I think brandon keeps more gh viewers. Todd brings more new eyeballs. I dont think olivia fans for the most part watch or wouldnt watch solely for her character. i could be wrong but thats my sense.

GHL for me there is a big difference between killing off a character, writing a character out and refiguring pairings. I dont think true fans leave because they lose their favorite pairing because their faves are STILL on the show. I think writing out a character is a lot easier to swallow because they can come back. What they are doing to johnny feels like a set up for a who killed johnny story and theres not usually a come back point from that unless they have johnny staging his own death.

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I understand that people don't want Johnny gone, but it's beyond ridiculous that people are tagging his possible exit as pursuing a OLTL agenda. Come on! Enough with the OLTL bashing! There are two OLTL characters on contract. It's not as if the entire cast has been replaced. Let. It. Go.

As for the supposed Todd propping, he has only been back in town a few short weeks, and already he's responsible for Sam thinking her baby is dead. (Go ahead and blame Heather, if you want to, but Todd allowed it to happen and to go on happening, so he's just as much to blame.) How do you think the town is going to feel when they find out what he did? Do you think Carly is going to be thrilled by what he did to her best friend? Yeah, the character of Johnny has been ruined, but it's kind of silly to say it has been to whitewash the character of Todd when GH has been doing that with Johnny and Sonny for years now.

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Interesting how the GH fans only bash Cartini and the OLTL characters and not the opinion of people liking the show but if you dare say that you don't like what Cartini are doing (and YES they are propping Todd every way they can and of course they ruined Johnny and intended to kill him to pimp a Carly/Todd pairing!), we die hard GH fans are being called names such as "ridiculous", "silly"... How nice and judgmental again...

I have watched every episode of GH since 1990. Not missed one. And I will stopped watching when the show will be unbearable to me. I have been on the edge for months but the disrespectful way cartini is destroying my last favorite GH character is "the last nail in the coffin". The day Johnny is gone, I am gone because I couldn't care less for the Todd show. Or the Sonny show as those two are obviously Cartini's pets.

And the Bookerman, Olivia is IMHO an atrocious character. She always patronizes people, she thinks she is better than anyone else and she never minds her own business. The way she pimps Sonny whenever she can is disgusting. Sonny almost killed her son and she is still giving him the benefit of the doubt. Like so many on the net, I don't care one bit about her and I would be pretty happy if Heather cleans the floor with her and sends Olivia back to Bensonhurst for good!

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Aragorn, happy that you stopped lurking thanks to Ravennite because I love your posts girl Smile

And like for many, Johnny has become a casus belli for me. Count me in within the die hard GH fans who will stop watching if they kill off our Johnny because sometimes enough is truly enough and I won't watch this garbage where my faves are consistently written OOC and/or thrown under the bus.

Jezza, what a nice little post. I particularly enjoyed the condescending tone and the "Let.It.Go". Angry
I will voice my opinion as I have been doing it consistently on Perkie's Obs for the past two years if I want and won't "let it go" if I want and if I am unhappy and is cornered to no other solution than stop watching rather than making myself angrier by the minute while watching GH, so be it!
Who do you think you are to tell me that I am "beyond ridiculous" if I am part of the numerous fans who will say "The End" if Cartini sacrifices Johnny to pimp Todd?

Because OF COURSE Johnny has been ruined to prop Todd! Of course the final agenda is a Todd/Carly pairing! Carly will be angry 5 minutes at Todd but as Johnny is going to be revealed as being a much "bigger villain" I am really to bet whatever you want that she will run to Todd! Do you really not see it? KDP is not moving to GH and Todd won't stay single and they won't pair him with Alice! Do the maths! But Carly/Johnny was and is still more popular than Todd/Carly so they have to distroy that first.

Did you really not see how Johnny was suddenly written so OOC just a few weeks after Todd showed up? And that it clearly was a rewrite as so many things don't match with making Johnny the killer (he was drunk, he was at home with Carly, he had no idea at the time where Anthony was). Please... Instead of patronizing us about how Todd coming to PC has nothing to do with Johnny's destruction, take a step back and think about the whole thing again... the fact that Johnny was clearly supposed to die (because of Starr stealing his gun and hearing Johnny say that he had framed Sonny, except it wasn't for Cole and Hope but regarding Kate/Connie). Then came the huge backlash about the rumor of BB leaving (confirmed twice by Ravenbeauty who is usually very well informed) then started the rewrites...

Johnny couldn't die anymore because of fans being furious. But Cartini could still ruin him and it is exactly what they did. The plan is still to pair Todd and Carly and I am clearly not alone to think that. Many do.

Finally regarding the "only two OLTL contracts"... Let me laugh a little. Have you checked the Episode Counts for the past months since the OLTL transplants started? Out of the Top 5 for GH, you SYSTEMATICALLY have 2 out of five being OLTL actors. It was either KA and MA or KA and RH or MA and RH. Almost half of the Top 5 is made by the OLTL actors... That says a lot. But yeah, we are "beyond ridiculous"... But we are perhaps not delusional.

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Nick, Eden, Madithusa, EET, Aragorn and Loungta WELL SAID!!!! Love

I love Johnny. And this is kind of a symbol for me. If Cartini choses to pimp his pet Todd to the detriment of Johnny Z, the message will be very clear to me "I don't care about what GH fans think as long as I can promote my OLTL favorites".
In which case, what will be the point of watching GH anymore? I adore Lulu but they keep her in that atrocious pairing and I don't recognize her (except in the recent scenes at the HS with Johnny but that was short and she is still stuck with Dumbte).

I hate Sonny. I hate Todd, gang rapist daring to warn Carly about Johnny Angry I hate Jason. I don't care one bit about Jasam and Liaison. I don't care about Ewen. I hate Luke now and this is ruining my Anna love to see her with that pig. I love Tracy but seeing her making a fool of herself is painful. I don't care one bit about Michael or Kristina or any Corinthos spawn (I vomit Dante by the way). I love Alexis but we barely see her and she cannot get a decent storyline where she would be front and center. Mac is barely on. Patrick is turning drug addict. So what do I have left? Johnny that I started hating when he showed up as I was a Logan fan and who has slowly but surely become my favorite character of GH. I love him with Carly, I love him with my Lulu too. Just love the guy.

So I am sick of Cartini and their obvious agenda. Bceause newsflash Jezza, of course there is one! Who do you think Todd is going to be paired with in the next future??? Monica Q? Don't think so. So think about it one second and think about what pairing had to be destroyed to make place to Todd/Carly... But no of course Todd has NOTHING to do with Johnny's evil twin suddenly showing up and we are "beyond ridiculous" to be mad and ready to stop watching if Cartini sacrifice Johnny to the Todd's altar...

Some people here seem not to get that two things are now infuriating the GH Fans, the Johnny debacle and the baby switch debacle. And what character is part of both? Oops, it would be Todd. It is unacceptable that 2 OLTL actors are trusting 2 out of the 5 top Episodes Count. WOnder what the patronizing OLTL would have said if suddenly Sonny and Jason have become front and center of OLTL and were occupying 2 spots of the Top 5? My guess is that they would be pretty furious. But we have to "let go". Of course... The more I read posts like that the more mad I get.

Bookerman. I also hate Olivia Falconeri. Useless and absolutely horrible character. You can bring any OLTL female character except Farrah Fayth to replace LLC's Olivia, I will clap. But don't touch Johnny!

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For me its not oltl vs. gh its keeping gh on the air. I love the oltl transplants and Im happy to lose people to make room for them but we should lose characters that arent truly part of the gh landscape first. I see people passionately advocating for johnny, fans that love him and watch solely for him. that cant be said for ewan or olivia or steve. Even matt - though I loved JC - if JT is leaving then matt really served ZERO purpose at that point and if thats salary that frees up space to bring on someone popular like roho or me then so be it. but when we still have dead weight lets trim that first.

I also wholly believe that RCs problem with johnny is that hes now essentially an outlier - no family, no connection to the canvas. As Im put out there a few times now, I think its easy to play with his paternity and make him a cassadine or a Q and that would solve that problem entirely. Plus I think they could find a way to make cole and hope alive since no body was found and cole IS a fugitive. Hell if they want a michael story, maybe cole saw his chance to have his parents and his child and took off. making cole the villain in this piece wouldnt bother me one bit if it saves johnny. then the only person Johnny really hurt is anthony z (since kate i think is the alter and connie is the real person) and we are use to loving mobsters who kill other mobsters on this show.

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@aragorn

I think we have to distinguish two things: the character AND the actor. They are not interchangeable.

If you don't like Olivia that's fine, but it's not Lisa LoCicero's fault she is written that way. I do love Olivia though. She speaks her mind, she doesn't back down, and she is that loyal friend you want and the woman you don't want to mess with. So refreshing in Port Charles.

And if you purely justify who you like and dislike by what their characters have done Olivia should be near the top of the like list. EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER IN SOAP HISTORY HAS DONE THINGS THAT ARE EVIL, IRREDEEMABLE AND UNFORGIVABLE. That's what is great about this genre: people choose to spin events in the way they want to to support their favorite characters.

Elizabeth: Cheater, Meddler, Accessory in her son's murder, Keeps reinforcing Jason's criminal activity.......

Johnny: Liar, cheater, murderer, blackmails....

I mean, you could make this list for everyone.

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Just to clarify, I never called anyone "ridiculous" or "silly." I don't personally know anyone who posts on the DC boards (at least I don't think I do!), so I wouldn't dream of making such a personal observation about any of them publicly -- or privately. I actually think the people who post here are quite intelligent, and I often enjoy reading the comments here more than I do watching the shows. What I did say is that the simplification of what is happening to Johnny's character to being all about propping Todd is "ridiculous" and "silly." And I stand by that assertion. Perhaps if Todd were being presented as a romantic hero, I would understand, but he's being presented/portrayed as the same type of guy he was during his final stint on OLTL -- a baby swapper who shows no remorse for "killing" his twin brother.

I share everyone's concern for the character of Johnny, being both a huge fan of the character and the actor, but I just don't see how it all comes down to ruining Johnny for the sake of making Todd the hero when Todd is anything but. (If anyone's been whitewashed by Cartini, it's Carly, making her one of the dullest characters on the show at the moment.) And especially since there has been flagrant favoritism shown to Sonny's character over Johnny's since Johnny came on the show.

As for the Carly and Johnny vs. Carly and Todd romantic endgame, I am not convinced that it is Carly and Todd. Not that Carly is much of a prize anyway, so I'm not really sure why anyone cares who ends up with her. But as I said, I doubt very seriously that she will take kindly to Todd's baby-switch antics.

If you don't like the OLTL characters, fine, a lot of people don't. But I refuse to buy that they are the No. 1 reason for the systematic decline of a show that was shaky for years before they arrived.

Finally, as a GH watcher since the late '70s when the Webbers were the core family, I can say this: Even if Todd and Carly ARE endgame, they won't be for long. Few couples ever stay together for long in the wonderful world of soaps!

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Sorry for the second post, but I just wanted to add that if Cartini wanted to push Johnny's character aside to make way for Todd, they easily could have shoved him to the backburner or quickly killed him off, the way they did to so many other expendables. Instead, he's driving story on the frontburner for the first time in years. It might not be the story that we'd all love to see him in, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are unexpected twists coming up. As long as they don't do to him what they did to Marty Saybrooke on OLTL, and make him a crazy, remorseless killer, there is hope that he can be somehow redeemed.

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thebookerman wrote:
@aragorn
I think we have to distinguish two things: the character AND the actor. They are not interchangeable.
If you don't like Olivia that's fine, but it's not Lisa LoCicero's fault she is written that way. I do love Olivia though. She speaks her mind, she doesn't back down, and she is that loyal friend you want and the woman you don't want to mess with. So refreshing in Port Charles.

????? Where did I speak of LLC???
I love when people twist what you say...

And I will always prefer someone who is flawed but knows about it and doesn't see himself/herself better than he/she is rather than seeing himself/herself better as she/he really is. Olivia keeps patronizing people. She is the opposite of loyal! When she knew that Jax was being framed, the same Jax that gave her a job and that protected her son's secret, what did she do? She was having shots with Steve? She finds Kate in her bloody wedding dress but she couldn't care less and it took huge time for her to even realize that there was a problem! She is Kat's family but couldn't see it because she is so self absorbed! She keeps meddling with Heather when it is not her place. But worse of all, she keeps protecting Sonny, a man who shot her son point blank in the chest, even begging Dante to lie for him on his hospital bed. NO MOTHER IN HER RIGHT MIND WOULD REACT THIS WAY. If you are a mom, you cannot ignore it, that's not possible...

EET is right as far as Olivia popularity. When DC did its poll a few weeks ago about what GH character was expendable, Olivia was Number one of the female characters because she is just a horrible character to watch in my humble opinion. I love Tracy, Alexis, Robin, Liz and can take Carly or Sam from time to time. But Olivia? Just hate that obnoxious woman. Sorry. This is one I certainly would not cry about if Heather was bright enough to get rid of that noisy woman...

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But again, you're not distinguishing between the actress and the character. You don't like the writing for LLC, so you think LLC should go.

And she is loyal to her son Dante, to Lulu, even to Carly when Carly constantly belittled her, took her ex-boyfriend etc.

I also have to question how long you've been watching GH. Kate constantly started things with Olivia, not the other way around. Olivia was always trying to make peace. Remember the scene where Connie was trying to take the money from the safe and run and Olivia tried to help her by getting her to open up? Or how she kept visiting Kate in Shady Brook.

She has not been written well, but LLC consistently steals the scene she is in despite that. I don't want either to leave, but if it came down to Olivia or Johnny, it's Olivia for me. Johnny's character has been destroyed beyond repair. At least let him go out on a high note.

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What are you talking about??? Once again where did I speak of LLC? I don't like Olivia as a CHARACTER. I loathe her to be honest. What has the writing for LLC to do with that? The writing for LLC is totally convenient to me! I have never been impressed by that actress and I am kind of happy that the writing is what it is for her. No problem with that and I have not ONCE mentioned the actress except to ask you why you were telling me not to mix the actress and the character when it is EET who talked about LLc not me! I talked about Olivia's popularity not LLC. You seem to be the one mixing things.

And Olivia has certainly not been loyal to Carly when she lied to her many times about Jax and Sonny, when she didn't help her to find Michael who was hidden (then lost) by Dante. You are wondering for how long I have been watching this show? 21 years to be exact and I have never missed one episode.

Speaking of Kate and Olivia, you must not remember that Olivia tried everything she could to stop Kate and Sonny's wedding only to be the one to put her tongue in Sonny's mouth instead. She even caused a disgusting and classless scene on their wedding day, she couldn't keep her mouth shut and expect Kate's will to be Kate and not Connie anymore. She was a petty jealous beyotch with Kate from the moment she showed up in Port Charles. Kate kept her secret about Dante forever, to the point that Sonny reproached it to her in the last Megan Ward's scene, but it is Kate who started things??? I won't doubt that you watch the show and won't disrespect you as you disrespect me, doubting me without knowing me, but we are clearly not watching the same GH!

Team Johnny over Team Olivia all the way! And I am leaving a chance to CarTini who in a few weeks "destroyed Johnny beyond repairs" to show that they can be creative enough to redeem him. If Brandon Barash leaves the show, I will end up my addiction to GH with him going.

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Im not sure when it comes to popularity AT THIS TIME it matters whether im talking about llc or olivia. Could llc/olivia become more popular with viewers if she were written differently - maybe - but if the issue is how to get the most people to tune in to GH within the given budget constraints/reasonable cast size I dont think the present popularity of this actress/character rivals bba/johnny or RoHos todd so if I have to trim TODAY thats where I would cut - I wouldnt cut the more popular person and HOPE that a change in writing with the less popular character would result in a greater audience response. Thats nothing to do with how I feel about llc or about the character - Ive never said anything disparaging about either - all Im saying is that I do not believe based on reading facebook and boards that the actress/character has really caught on up to now with the viewing audience. I feel the same way about steve/scott reeves. Could they write steve differently? maybe but right now the fans just dont respond to him the way they do brandon/johnny.

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At one time, I thought Trevor and Maria were really Johnny's biological parents which meant Ric was tied to Sonny and Johnny. Three brothers with three different set of parents. I miss Ric!

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aragorn wrote:
What are you talking about??? Once again where did I speak of LLC? I don't like Olivia as a CHARACTER. I loathe her to be honest. What has the writing for LLC to do with that? The writing for LLC is totally convenient to me! I have never been impressed by that actress and I am kind of happy that the writing is what it is for her. No problem with that and I have not ONCE mentioned the actress except to ask you why you were telling me not to mix the actress and the character when it is EET who talked about LLc not me! I talked about Olivia's popularity not LLC. You seem to be the one mixing things.

Okay, so the writing is "convenient" and you like the actress, but you complain about the characteristics of Olivia? What.....? There's either the actress, or the material she is given to read, those are the only two things and if you are saying Olivia is expendable then you must not like one of them.