Thanks Sassy, as always for the "goodies". The quotes from BrBa in light of the twitter stuff, are interesting. As an actor I'm pleased that he seems to be happy going somewhere a lot of us may not like in terms of character development. Where some see it as regression or OOC, it appears he views it as a different facet of John's personality/background for him to "play with". Whatever I or anyone thinks, I know he has the chops to do it justice, and will carry it off with his customary skill and relish...
Tbh, I don't see Johnny being written as OOC, I see it as him succumbing to the darkness we all saw he had inside of him when he first came on the show. When Johnny first came on the show he wasn't meant to be a good guy, he was softened to be paired with Lulu, but he always had that darker side to him, with the Claudia reveal, I think that pushed him over closer to that side. I'm interested to see where this darker Johnny is headed hopefully the writers don't write him into a corner, if Todd can still be around after all that and Jason and freakin Sonny can still be the antagonist, Johnny should be good.
Alexis rips into one side of Jason and down the other, with Sonny backing her up.
This is what I'm going to be waiting for. Hahahahaha! I'd even go so far to say give him the Keifer treatment Mama Bear. I'm confused why Sonny would back her up though, he doesn't usually come down on the side of the woman in any equation.
Although I'd love for Sam to get to scream at Jason for a while. I like her best when she's finally had enough and lets him have it with both barrels.
EET - You make some valid points about why Jake shouldn't be brought back, but Elizabeth never saw Jake after the surgery, right? I don't think Jason or Lucky did either. He may have matched Joss for the kidney, but why does that matter? They are not related in any way. Any 'stand in' could have matched Joss.
I am ok with Alan coming back to haunt Tracy. I loved that!
UGH, on Kirsten Storms. I still feel like there is more to this story than what has been reported.
Ahanshew yes I would love alan with tracy or even if they do a death story with edward where suddenly he sees alan, because that would presume sd can do those days. I dont think he can come back for meaningful story, I would love to see monica more, maybe with a future love interest, so Im not sure I want him back BACK as an alive alan unless he is healthy enough to really go forward. but then again, whats the story? How does he tie in to hells or faison unless its some research in his history or knowledge base that he alone knows? It would have to be good.
As for jake, Liz saw him in the ambulance. I dont know that they showed her subsequently with Jake? Did JJ have scenes with jake? I dont think jason did. but I would have to buy that Jake was hit and then what? switched before the tested that he was a match for joss and replaced with someone that then robin and patrick operated on and didnt know he was NOT jake? It would be one thing if the story had been that dr. maruchi did the surgery or the doc that was friends with lisa because they might not know Jake, but certainly robin and patrick did. And both Jake AND this new half dead child (that what? they just happened to have lying around waiting for jake to get run over?) was ALSO a match to joss's rare kidney needs? I barely bought jake matched, but now Im suppose to imagine they had this kid on ice waiting and coincidentally HE also matches? (because if faux jake didnt match and joss rejected the kidney wouldnt that have come to light by now) Or did they diagnose a real jake with a fatal illness, took out his kidneys, and then someone swiped him? So he survived the car wreck AND having no kidneys and still lives? Then theres the issue of WHY jake. WOuldnt they have to tie aj or alkie or someone that might hate jason into this for it to make any sense - really why would hells or faison care?
Hmm... well, I think that there are multiple ways to bring Jake back (we have all seen far LESS plausible things on this show!). Who says it has to be Hells/Faison?? [Though it being them could make sense b/c everyone believed him to be Lucky's son & around the time of his death, Liz started getting wise to the fact that Adian looks like Lucky so she had the paternity test done so that part of Hells' plan was fading... so yeah, she & Faison couldn't keep Lucky locked down/under their control all those years ago, maybe they'd get his "son" (I mean this chick had a frozen Starvos-sickle, she could have Jake! ...she could have "saved" him when everyone thought he was braindead, & Joss could still have 1 of his kidneys).
Personally, I always thought that it could have been Franco trying to get the ultimate revenge on Jason.
This is a post I wrote on March 31, 2011:
JAQ: I really love your theory & I think it ties in perfectly with the one that I came up with & posted on March 17th:
"Picture it: Jason watches his son die. Liz, Lucky, & Jas are all devastated. The secret comes out & everyone grieves, WE the audience grieve. Then after the funeral, in the last closing seconds of the show we see Franco lovingly holding Jake, & saying to him that Uncle Franco is introducing him to his new Daddy. Franco knocks on the door and a man answers it. At first, we see the man only from behind, but we can see Franco holding Jake in front of the man, & while smiling Franco says, "Say hello to your son." The camera pans to the front & as Franco hands Jake over we see none other than AJ (muthaeffin'!) Quartermaine!!! ...Who takes Jake into his arms & says "Welcome home, MY son."
Black screen.
Commercials."
They could take our ideas & combine them for one hell of a story! ;0)
I would follow this up by having Jake come back with a hate-on for all things mob b/c AJ told him that he was adopted b/c of the danger of the mob & b/c his bio dad was a hitman that chose to stay in the mob rather than be a father to him. BUT, I would have AJ tell Jake that Liz wanted him & loved him, but thought it was safer that she send him away. I would have AJ tell Jake about HIS bio-son Michael, & show him news clippings of what mob-life/Jason did to his son (hello shootings, murder, & prison!) and how AJ & Jake's mother & Lucky didn't want that for him. I HATED the way TPTB had Micheal hating Carly & loving Sonny, when SHE was the one who never gave up on him & Sonny was the one who did, & you know, got him shot in the first place. So in my dream, when Jake comes back as a pre-teen next year, lol, he HATES Jason (heck, somebody on this show has to) AND Sonny AND Carly for what she did to AJ/Michael, quickly warms up to Liz & his brothers & Lucky, and totally LOVES AJ!! b/c though everyone tries to break AJ's hold, they can't b/c AJ has already told Jake the "truth": he's not his real father but loves him as his own (my soul is warmed with glee at the thought of Jason's son calling AJ "dad" hehe), Jason is a hitman, Liz loves him & would never abandon him, but Jason's enemies were closing in & everyone "thinking"/pretending that Jake was dead was for his safety, etc.).
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This could still work, & make even more sense now that AJ would also be Franco's brother (though I still hope this is a dirty rotten lie!). Maybe AJ comes out of hiding b/c Franco hasn't checked-in in awhile...
EET - Jason watched the surgery from the observation bay and so would have seen Jake as well as Robin and Patrick. I think all three of them would recognize him. And although they didn't really show it, I believe both Liz and Lucky were with Jake when he was taken off of life support.
But why would franco have Robin then? or are we going to assume that robin is being held by one mad men and then weve got another mad man holding jake? I mean havent we almost universally begging for less villains and less redonkulous scenes/stories that are preposterous (ie: tracy and luke and here we are picking about all the inconsistencies?)
As for the scenario you cooked up thats a great explanation of what happens AFTER the fact, but how do you explain how he survived and when he was removed from the hospital? Your story doesnt address any of the issues Ive raised - WHEN exactly was jake removed? was he stolen from the street and the jake that was run over was a faux jake? Did liz not recognize then in the ambulance that this boy wasnt her son? Did Helena grow this new little boy in some strange human cloning petri dish just so that in four years he could lead the boy in to the middle of the road at exactly the moment her arch enemy drove by? Or did he get stolen by franco after the car accident but before scrubs operated? and if so, franco as a mere mortal (unlike faison or hells) - how did he save jason from his injuries? and as a serial killer, since he wouldnt have some strange human cloning petri dish, where did he get the substitute child. And why did patrick and robin not recognize this wasnt the little boy they had seen a million times before. Thats the part I have trouble with.
As for gigi dying and her and rex time traveling and tina and cord in mendora and all those other types of stories - two words - HATE IT. Sorry but I love things like sam telling her sisters about her rape. I loved kristinas abuse story. I loved the whole carly/tony/bobbie Im your kid story. I loved Robin/stones hiv story. I loved BJs heart. I loved luke and laura on the run the first time. when we started getting in to the ice princess stuff or stavros being frozen or casey the alien - I guess I thought those stories were good because I loved L&L and robert and anna but I didnt enjoy them nearly the same. The more absurd, the more apt you are to lose me. I hated project orpheus on AMC and Ive said though I love david hayward and VI I do NOT want david in pc because of that story and having them potentially carry it to GH. Enough is enough. Tell me stories that make me gasp at the reveal, cry at the loss, cheer at the victory and otherwise explore and produce real human emotion. And if you are going to use flights of fantasy, use them in moderation. We know robin is a back from the dead person. The question is what other people are with her. My first choice would be the people that make sense. personally I never bought em was definitely dead. Alan, aj and jake are far less believably UNDEAD. Justus doesnt give us nearly as much story and honestly I dont really remember how he died to say where he fits on the spectrum. Georgie is probably somewhere in between - not as easily undone as Em but more so that alan aj and jake. I guess in the end what im saying is that I dont want 15 million characters coming back and FOR ME I personally would rather see them going with the ones that make the most sense from story perspective stemming from/originating with the idea that robin is one of the people taken.
EET - Franco is dead so he isn't holding Robin or anyone else. After Jason shot him "someone" (cough Heather) burned down the building with his body in it.
And I agree! I don't enjoy the time travel, visits to other worlds and Dr. David Hayward having stashed away every dead person ever on AMC!! Those stories are way too unbelievable to me and only prove what bad writers the soaps have these days!
Kate: The other shoe hasn't dropped yet. "What we are trying to do with Kate is get to the root of why Connie exists in the first place. There's always a cause for DID. What is the one incident in her life that caused all this?"
Johnny: Is being haunted by his actions that led to the deaths of Cole and Hope. "He convinced Connie to take responsibility for it, which let him off the hook legally, but not morally." He needs to rebuild his life. "He thinks if he can try to restore Starr's life that he can make up for what he did to her."
Starr: "She is trying to move beyond this phase of wanting revenge against Sonny so she can build something new. Will she and Michael be able to build a relationship at all?"
Todd: Todd is less than thrilled with some of Starr's choices especially with her career. "Todd took an instant disliking to Johnny. He doesn't want this guy taking an interest in Starr's life." Todd will "also be a wrinkle in the road to forgiveness and recovery for Johnny and Carly.
Dante/Lulu: Could a love from the past threaten their marriage? "Dante doesn't like Johnny... Dante has been right all along because he really believed that it was Johnny who planted the gun and tried to frame Sonny. In fact, Dante is one of the few people who have been correct about the whole thing!" Unfortunately no one else knows that. "Dante hasn't given up trying to get the truth, and Johnny remains his number 1 suspect", despite Connie's confession. "Seeing that Dante is gunning for" Johnny, "he won't be too pleased at all if Lulu has anything to do with Johnny!"
Luke: Thanks to the fact that Johnny dumped Anthony's body on the Q property, and that several people know that Tracy and Luke have discussed offing him, this complicates his relationship with Anna. "He has a certain closeness to both women that is pretty strong. You don't know quite how its going to shake out. Who will he ultimate turn to?
Kristina: She returns with a bit of an edge. "... she wants to make her own decisions and not be controlled. She will bumped up against Sonny and Alexis." She may also cause problems for Michael's relationship with Starr.
Molly: We find out about her status with TJ and what those two have been up to.
Heather: "Olivia smells a rat", regarding Maggie's demise. Will that put her in the line of fire?
The Haunted Star: It will be re-purposed and become a place where some characters are starting over.
Quote Source: Ron Carlivati/SID
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Kristina's Back!...With a Dose of "Reality"!
Kristina's return to Port Charles is NOT going to be good news for her mom and dad. Not only is she furious at Alexis and Sonny for buying her way into Yale, but her form of payback is going to put Alexis and Sonny's lives on display for the whole world to see.
Kristina has her own reality show – "Mob Princess."
Kristina is home for the summer and she's wise to her parents' ways. NUKristina, Lindsey Morgan, explains, "All she wants from them is the truth, and she doesn't get it. So she's going to pull out her ace and get her vengeance!"
Kristina's vengeance reflects the dysfunction of her family in a way that has the potential of exploding in her face! "Kristina is the perfect blend of both of her parents. She is very ethical, like her mother. She's very honest and tells how she feels about things, which I feel comes from her mother, who lays down the law. Then again, she's very much like her father because she is very stubborn and can be kind of a hot head."
Kristina's family project will be part humor, part drama and create a new problem for Sonny and Alexis to have to deal with. Can they handle it gracefully if they present a united front? Morgan hints, "Both her parents are very strong, and when they come together... whoa!"
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Sam and Tea, will find themselves going into labor. And that's just the beginning. The increasingly tumultuous emotional triangle between Jason, Sam, and John McBain has reached a fever pitch, with Jason determined to send John a message in the form of some violent thugs. But what happens when Sam has to deliver the baby and John is the only one who can help her?
Téa finds an unlikely source of help when she goes into labor: Todd. Things start to go seriously wrong, however, and it's up to Todd to save both mother and child.
In case this all wasn't crazed enough, look for Heather Webber to find herself caught up in the fray!
Anthony's dead body has gone missing, much to Luke and Tracy's dismay. But while they search for the body, Dante has a warrant to arrest his father-in-law. How's Luke getting out of this one? Look for Lulu to get caught up in all the drama. Oh, and what does Heather have to do with all this? Notice the theme this week – Heather's all up in everyone's business.
Matt confesses to Patrick and Elizabeth that he killed Lisa. But Maxie has one more surprise that will throw a wrench into the legal proceedings against him.
Laura Wright in SOD, Carly "still cares about [Johnny], but it is going to take a lot for him to win back her trust."
Todd struggles with the truth.
Todd tells Starr that it was Kate who killed Cole and Hope.
Starr apologizes to Michael for blaming Sonny.
Kate may be caught offguard by the visitor who swings by for a chat: Starr!
Starr doesn't blame her for the deaths of Hope and Cole.
Sparks fly between Mac and Felicia!
Johnny suffers from nightmares.
Jason asks for forgiveness.
Spinelli helps Olivia.
Heather crashes into Tea's car causing her to go into labor.
Todd arrives and finds Tea in labor.
Todd and Tea bicker as the baby is born.
Todd takes Tea and the baby to GH.
Todd and Heather reach an agreement.
Steve sets out after Heather in the storm.
Heather manages to avoid being seen by Steve.
Sam labors as the storm worsens. Alone with the baby, Sam begins to bleed profusely and passes out.
Sam is in disbelief.
Sam encounters into someone.
Heather finds Sam.
Jason rushes Sam to General Hospital.
Will Anna's new job push Luke and Anna further apart or pull them closer together?
Carlivati had originally planned to bring Robin back soon and have Robin and Patrick be reunited (before word came of GH's extension) as part of the show's ending. He mentioned in the most recent SID about Robin being really alive and that he'll develop that story over time. "Its just a question of when can we do it? As we know, Kimberly is exploring some other stuff in her life right now, which I think is wonderful for her. If and when Kimberly is available to come back, that is really when we will tell this story in full force!" For now, Patrick will continue to believe that Robin is dead. "We'll be watching him go on a journey, with the audience knowing that at the end of it somewhere is Robin."
SOD reports that Nathin Butler (Dr. Ewan Keenan) was let go in late May. No word yet on his final air date. UPDATE: When asked by fans about his departure, Butler tweeted, "No, I'll be sticking around." Confusion reigns!
LOL sassy yes I know franco is dead..that was more a rhetorical - so does franco have robin - question...because we know he doesnt. so if jake is in the basement with robin, he isnt being held by franco. thats why i dont see how the jake/franco storyline works unless we are going to have hells having a not really dead Robin while across town franco and an also not dead aj have a not dead jake. How many layers of doom dungeons are hiding around the town of PC anyway? LOL Does caleb the vampire have all these people and does lucy the vampire slayer coe know about it lol.
EET - LOL!! I know YOU know but I just thought I'd repeat it for those that still seem to think Franco has Jake. If there are any soap Gods or Goddesses we will NEVER have Franco back on our screens again!!
Sassy-You've been a busy, busy bee. Thanks for the new batch of "goodies".
Having just seen the new Kristina, yeah, you can see the edge. Even from those last seconds on air. I'm gonna reserve judgement till she gets going.
I'm actually looking forward to seeing NLG's Alexis deal with the fall out
from the "Admittance to Yale" that wasn't. The bully will just bellow like a wounded bull. (Just my opinion there.)
I noticed there wasn't anything about McBain's girlfriend and son. Any thoughts on whether they show up? Or would there be more backlash?
As for my D&L, I just adore them to pieces, so let them be tested. I know JMB, DZ, and BrBa will handle the triangle beautifully when it comes to pass...
And while I'm at it here are some tidbits from SoapZone ---
The GH casting department needs a handsome, young actor to be a romantic foil for Starr and Michael, probably for a summer triangle. They’re auditioning actors now with Kristen Alderson (Starr). A kissing scene’s involved too.
Calm down, JaSam fans. Portrayer Rebecca Herbst (Elizabeth) promises her character is not out to break up Jason and Sam in any way. She’s actually in the couple’s corner, trying to coax Jason to give Sam another chance. Besides, Herbst said, Elizabeth’s long since moved on.
Nathin Butler (Ewen) recently tweeted that his character will survive (thanks to Dr. Drake Jr.). Fans of Ewen will be glad to know this actor is also a musician with his own band, The Sugar.
Jane Elliot (Tracy) acts with a difference. Perhaps because she doesn’t go with the flow like everybody else. She doesn’t do social networks. She never had plastic surgery. She’d rather not be recognized in public places. You’ll never find her doing fan events. It’s helped with her often villainous roles, to maintain the integrity of whatever it takes to pull off—without fear of retribution. At least, Elliot thinks so. “I'm not one of those actors who spends a lot of time engaging with the audience,” she told TV Guide’s Michael Logan in a May 15th-updated interview. “I'm fierce about my anonymity, which is why it's easy for me to play the villain. I'm not close enough to the audience to have them throw a pie in my face because of something Tracy just did.” She also doesn’t pine away for the damsel in distress roles. Elliot’s perfectly fine to play the villain, without flinching. She revealed that she doesn’t even like Tracy as a person, but she does like the “multi-dimensional” depths Tracy as a character gives her to play.
The respected veteran soap actress also strongly endorsed new executive producer Frank Valentini as a maverick, just like the late Gloria Monty was when she took on GH in the golden era of the 1980s. Elliot admired the workhorse ethic of Valentini, who “is the first one in the building in the morning and the last one out at night. And he works all weekend!,” as well as his fresh vision. “This is not to say that the people before him didn't care, but he's committed to this show in a very unique way. There's no substitute for loving the medium. You know that saying ‘A new broom sweeps clean?’ Well, that's Frank. As good as [former exec producer] Jill Phelps was and as much as I loved working with her, a new broom sweeps clean. Frank comes to this show with fresh eyes, with no disappointments, no frustrations over lost battles. He comes with everything he has to give.”
Elliot then praised new head writer Ron Carlivati for finally using her mob history (back when she crossed over to The City) in story. It’s something she’d wanted previous head writer Bob Guza Jr. to do, to no avail. “I tried for nine years to get Bob Guza to acknowledge that Tracy had been married to a member of the mob in New York and he completely ignored it. But within minutes of Ron getting there he brought it up, and I love him for that! I'm told that they're going to do a love triangle with Anna [Finola Hughes], Luke and Tracy, and how thrilling would that be? How good is that? In all my years on GH, Tracy has never been in a triangle!”
She’s absolutely thrilled to have some GH veterans back and joining her and her friend Tony Geary (Luke) for their own stories. There’s a “muscle memory” amongst them that you can’t fake. “When Tony and I look at each other on camera you see all of that history. It goes beyond the words. It's two people who have spent more than half their lives together.”
@EET: I did explain what happened to him when I said that Hells "saved" him when everyone thought he was brain-dead & was taken off of life-support (again, she managed to save Stravos, she could easily have the means to do the same for Lucky's "kid"). So, to be clear: what I am saying is *No* to all the petri-dish/'new kid who is not Jake' being run over/no-one recognizing a new Jake stuff you were saying you had a problem with. I am saying that Jake was indeed hit, operated on, gave Joss one of his kidneys, etc. BUT that Hells/someone gave him some sort of drug or something that made it look like he was dead (just like she probably did to Em since we all saw Nik crying over her body for days-- we would have to suspend our disbelief there as well) & she TOOK him & was able to "fix" him (just as she did for Starvos). Jake could be in the same place as Robin b/c Hells is working with Faison who took Robin for his own purposes. Hell, I even came up with a scenario that I posted years ago that Faison took Georgie in order to keep Frisco in line to do his bidding (which is why he has been MIA for all these years), so she'd be there too! And it could easily be explained that Faison took Robin for the same reason to get Robert to do what he wants which could explain/redeem Robert for leaving (he is not actually chasing after a "new" kid, he just used that as an accuse to do what he has to do to save Robin; maybe working with Frisco).
And in my storyline that I cooked up, I am implying that Franco could have done the same thing. Also, please keep in mind that I said that I wrote that in March of LAST year, before Robin was "dead" & taken, so I didn't know that 2 ppl would be kidnapped at the same time when I wrote that scenario. And no, I DO NOT WANT FRANCO BACK! nor do I think that he will come back. I was just saying that it would have been a good storyline & that it would be another POTENTIAL way in which Jake could be alive, which was the point of my original post.
But as to what you are saying, YES I can assume that 2 ppl were taken by 2 different ppl just like we can have 2 crazy ppl running around town (well, 3 if you count AZ/now Johnny), and 2 ppl being murders, and 2 ppl managing to drag 2 life-less bodies out of their apt's with no-one seeing them, etc, etc. I understand that you do not want Jake to be brought back for whatever reason, but I am saying that they HAVE DONE CRAZIER things on this show before, so to say that you couldn't suspend your disbelief long enough to accept a storyline in which Jake is not really dead is, IMHO, laughable.
I agree with you Re: all the flights of fancy, however, if good story can be told after it, then I am all for it. I didn't like the idea of Project O, HOWEVER, I FLOVED that it gave us Dixie & Stuart back (& no longer made Adam his killer)! They should have never died in the first place, and sometimes crazy things have to happen in order to right some "wrongs". We all know that Jake being brought back would be an EXCELLENT storyline. The implications it would bring to Liz, Lucky (they would have to bring him back), Jason, LUKE (who would no longer be a grandson/baby-killer), Sam (& her new kid with Jason), the Q's, etc. Jason would want to claim his son/Lucky would be against it, Sam would worry where their child would fit into this (McBAM!), etc., etc. ...this would bring an umbrella story that could resonate for years.
Edited to add: But I know that this is something that we won't agree on, so let's move on. I do hope that some writer uses my idea though, & brings Jake back when they bring back Robin!!
I always felt like Franco was the mastermind behind Jake's accident. With Franco's death, that's obviously not going to happen. Well, unless Heather has him now! LOL! I always thought the fans would be better writer's.
Hello all and Happy Memorial Weekend to you all!! Please don't forget to thank a vet in whatever way you can.
Before I share all the DD goodies, I don't know if you have seen elsewhere that Kristina has hidden cameras in Alexis' and Sonny's homes. That's how the reality show is being done. And she hates Starr (yay!!). And supposedly the teen coming is Kate's kid. I think this will be the one in the triangle with Starr and Michael.
Here are a few goodies from DD:
Heather leaked it, but John had Jason arrested.
John will tell Anna what he did on Monday. meant to say Tues. Forgot about the Monday repeat.
JaSam will be a full family again in July.
Heather wants Luke.
Mac and Felicia will get the Cord/Tina treatment.
The wrong person overhears Matt confess to killing Lisa.
Finding out the rape was an illusion is only the beginning of the story in store. Many twists and turns.
John and Liz were the temporary "angst" for Jasam before the birth, nothing more.
Jason will accept and love the baby before he knows he is the father, and Sam will know it.
Do they both go searching for the baby? When will they have the baby back? Did heather take it, or Franco?
They eventually search together. Heather does not work alone.
She hasn't fully forgiven him when they go search together.
Jason puts his life on the line for Sam and her baby.
Jason apologizes and then backs up his words with actions. It just won't be easy.
Do you know anything about Sam and McBain being siblings?
As far as I know, that is still true.
Liz is a sounding board for Jason and "angst" for JaSam. RC used her and John for a bait and switch to cause buzz, but it was never to go anywhere. As far a I know, they have barely even taped scenes together in weeks.
Both newborns need medical attention.
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DeJa Vu....
Something to ponder before the lights go out....
Those who didn't like the story the first time around hate it more this time around....
and the story was set in motion....
Who is the brains of that organ ring operation....
and what secrets do they hold....
Who has the courage to fight for what is right and tell the truth....
and what prize will they get....
Who gets their hearts desire as the summer heat comes....
and how will it move them in a new direction....
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DeJa Vu....
May finishes out 2006 and June starts 2007....
Connections....And the women choose sides....
The doctor will save his family, but is it too late....
The children hold the answers....
DeJa Vu....
The unions fans have been DYING for....
One man's regrets keep piling up....
Families are dissected from the inside out....
The things this woman will say and do to help another....
Thank god for spousal privilege....
Crazy bitches are not someone you want on your bad side....
The man that brings the mob to its knees....
The trial....
The history lesson....
Old feelings rekindle this summer, but she pushes him away....
A connection that can't be denied....
A connection that resurfaces....
This mother goes for the jugular....
This woman won't get brokenhearted again....
Old loves return to claim what is theirs, is it too late?....
And the children come home....
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Okay - me now: What was the end of 2006 and the beginning of 2007? I think that is when I quit watching because of how they wrote Sam and Alexis.
Miry - I like your Jake return. I think you are right that the ramifications of his return would cover practically every character on canvas!! And boy does Jason deserve to smacked over the head with a frying pan followed by a bowling ball! Bringing Jake back could be that self-punishment he needs.
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Neither Sam nor Tea give birth to twins.
There is no missing baby just a swap of a living baby for a deceased baby.
Thanks Supra! And thanks to Sassy & everyone who is finding & posting these spoilers!! This is fun!
I will be REAL sad if they make John & Sam siblings! I hope that that was just the initial plan but that now that TPTB see how POPULAR they are, they will NO LONGER go that route! I want Jason to cross yet another line by having John beat up, & for Sam to be mad at him and turn to John! I am sorry, but McBAM is it for me!! Jasam can try to get back together, but I want the pull/allure of John to be too much for Sam... the fact that he was always there for her, when Jason couldn't be bothered, I want that to still mean something to her. I want Sam to say that her feelings changed for Jason b/c of the way that he acted towards her & her child after she was RAPED (which does actually happen in real life). I mean he was going around town telling ppl it wasn't his kid like she freakin' cheated on him or something!! That shyt cannot be easily forgiven/forgotten! So, I want SAM to be the one that is torn! And I don't even really like Sam, lol, and I want her to have this story! What does that tell you?? That she is smokin' hot with John. To be honest I am quite surprised that they still have that old Caleb & Livvie magic (it is VERY hard to recapture that, sooo many soaps have tried & failed!) & the stupid PTB wanna mess that up?!!? I will say, that Ron/C have actually made me start to care about Sam with this storyline, which I never thought would happen, so that is at least something.
also, didn't Sam barely find out she was pregnant a few weeks ago??
if hers is the baby that dies and Heather or someone gives her Tea's baby, how is she going to explain receiving a baby (presumably Tea's) that was well into it's 9th month of gestation??
Thanks Sassy, as always for the "goodies". The quotes from BrBa in light of the twitter stuff, are interesting. As an actor I'm pleased that he seems to be happy going somewhere a lot of us may not like in terms of character development. Where some see it as regression or OOC, it appears he views it as a different facet of John's personality/background for him to "play with". Whatever I or anyone thinks, I know he has the chops to do it justice, and will carry it off with his customary skill and relish...
Tbh, I don't see Johnny being written as OOC, I see it as him succumbing to the darkness we all saw he had inside of him when he first came on the show. When Johnny first came on the show he wasn't meant to be a good guy, he was softened to be paired with Lulu, but he always had that darker side to him, with the Claudia reveal, I think that pushed him over closer to that side. I'm interested to see where this darker Johnny is headed hopefully the writers don't write him into a corner, if Todd can still be around after all that and Jason and freakin Sonny can still be the antagonist, Johnny should be good.
Alexis rips into one side of Jason and down the other, with Sonny backing her up.
This is what I'm going to be waiting for. Hahahahaha! I'd even go so far to say give him the Keifer treatment Mama Bear. I'm confused why Sonny would back her up though, he doesn't usually come down on the side of the woman in any equation.
Although I'd love for Sam to get to scream at Jason for a while. I like her best when she's finally had enough and lets him have it with both barrels.
Thanks for the spoilers!
EET - You make some valid points about why Jake shouldn't be brought back, but Elizabeth never saw Jake after the surgery, right? I don't think Jason or Lucky did either. He may have matched Joss for the kidney, but why does that matter? They are not related in any way. Any 'stand in' could have matched Joss.
I am ok with Alan coming back to haunt Tracy. I loved that!
UGH, on Kirsten Storms. I still feel like there is more to this story than what has been reported.
Ahanshew yes I would love alan with tracy or even if they do a death story with edward where suddenly he sees alan, because that would presume sd can do those days. I dont think he can come back for meaningful story, I would love to see monica more, maybe with a future love interest, so Im not sure I want him back BACK as an alive alan unless he is healthy enough to really go forward. but then again, whats the story? How does he tie in to hells or faison unless its some research in his history or knowledge base that he alone knows? It would have to be good.
As for jake, Liz saw him in the ambulance. I dont know that they showed her subsequently with Jake? Did JJ have scenes with jake? I dont think jason did. but I would have to buy that Jake was hit and then what? switched before the tested that he was a match for joss and replaced with someone that then robin and patrick operated on and didnt know he was NOT jake? It would be one thing if the story had been that dr. maruchi did the surgery or the doc that was friends with lisa because they might not know Jake, but certainly robin and patrick did. And both Jake AND this new half dead child (that what? they just happened to have lying around waiting for jake to get run over?) was ALSO a match to joss's rare kidney needs? I barely bought jake matched, but now Im suppose to imagine they had this kid on ice waiting and coincidentally HE also matches? (because if faux jake didnt match and joss rejected the kidney wouldnt that have come to light by now) Or did they diagnose a real jake with a fatal illness, took out his kidneys, and then someone swiped him? So he survived the car wreck AND having no kidneys and still lives? Then theres the issue of WHY jake. WOuldnt they have to tie aj or alkie or someone that might hate jason into this for it to make any sense - really why would hells or faison care?
Hmm... well, I think that there are multiple ways to bring Jake back (we have all seen far LESS plausible things on this show!). Who says it has to be Hells/Faison?? [Though it being them could make sense b/c everyone believed him to be Lucky's son & around the time of his death, Liz started getting wise to the fact that Adian looks like Lucky so she had the paternity test done so that part of Hells' plan was fading... so yeah, she & Faison couldn't keep Lucky locked down/under their control all those years ago, maybe they'd get his "son" (I mean this chick had a frozen Starvos-sickle, she could have Jake! ...she could have "saved" him when everyone thought he was braindead, & Joss could still have 1 of his kidneys).
Personally, I always thought that it could have been Franco trying to get the ultimate revenge on Jason.
This is a post I wrote on March 31, 2011:
JAQ: I really love your theory & I think it ties in perfectly with the one that I came up with & posted on March 17th:
"Picture it: Jason watches his son die. Liz, Lucky, & Jas are all devastated. The secret comes out & everyone grieves, WE the audience grieve. Then after the funeral, in the last closing seconds of the show we see Franco lovingly holding Jake, & saying to him that Uncle Franco is introducing him to his new Daddy. Franco knocks on the door and a man answers it. At first, we see the man only from behind, but we can see Franco holding Jake in front of the man, & while smiling Franco says, "Say hello to your son." The camera pans to the front & as Franco hands Jake over we see none other than AJ (muthaeffin'!) Quartermaine!!! ...Who takes Jake into his arms & says "Welcome home, MY son."
Black screen.
Commercials."
They could take our ideas & combine them for one hell of a story! ;0)
I would follow this up by having Jake come back with a hate-on for all things mob b/c AJ told him that he was adopted b/c of the danger of the mob & b/c his bio dad was a hitman that chose to stay in the mob rather than be a father to him. BUT, I would have AJ tell Jake that Liz wanted him & loved him, but thought it was safer that she send him away. I would have AJ tell Jake about HIS bio-son Michael, & show him news clippings of what mob-life/Jason did to his son (hello shootings, murder, & prison!) and how AJ & Jake's mother & Lucky didn't want that for him. I HATED the way TPTB had Micheal hating Carly & loving Sonny, when SHE was the one who never gave up on him & Sonny was the one who did, & you know, got him shot in the first place. So in my dream, when Jake comes back as a pre-teen next year, lol, he HATES Jason (heck, somebody on this show has to) AND Sonny AND Carly for what she did to AJ/Michael, quickly warms up to Liz & his brothers & Lucky, and totally LOVES AJ!! b/c though everyone tries to break AJ's hold, they can't b/c AJ has already told Jake the "truth": he's not his real father but loves him as his own (my soul is warmed with glee at the thought of Jason's son calling AJ "dad" hehe), Jason is a hitman, Liz loves him & would never abandon him, but Jason's enemies were closing in & everyone "thinking"/pretending that Jake was dead was for his safety, etc.).
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This could still work, & make even more sense now that AJ would also be Franco's brother (though I still hope this is a dirty rotten lie!). Maybe AJ comes out of hiding b/c Franco hasn't checked-in in awhile...
EET - Jason watched the surgery from the observation bay and so would have seen Jake as well as Robin and Patrick. I think all three of them would recognize him. And although they didn't really show it, I believe both Liz and Lucky were with Jake when he was taken off of life support.
But why would franco have Robin then? or are we going to assume that robin is being held by one mad men and then weve got another mad man holding jake? I mean havent we almost universally begging for less villains and less redonkulous scenes/stories that are preposterous (ie: tracy and luke and here we are picking about all the inconsistencies?)
As for the scenario you cooked up thats a great explanation of what happens AFTER the fact, but how do you explain how he survived and when he was removed from the hospital? Your story doesnt address any of the issues Ive raised - WHEN exactly was jake removed? was he stolen from the street and the jake that was run over was a faux jake? Did liz not recognize then in the ambulance that this boy wasnt her son? Did Helena grow this new little boy in some strange human cloning petri dish just so that in four years he could lead the boy in to the middle of the road at exactly the moment her arch enemy drove by? Or did he get stolen by franco after the car accident but before scrubs operated? and if so, franco as a mere mortal (unlike faison or hells) - how did he save jason from his injuries? and as a serial killer, since he wouldnt have some strange human cloning petri dish, where did he get the substitute child. And why did patrick and robin not recognize this wasnt the little boy they had seen a million times before. Thats the part I have trouble with.
As for gigi dying and her and rex time traveling and tina and cord in mendora and all those other types of stories - two words - HATE IT. Sorry but I love things like sam telling her sisters about her rape. I loved kristinas abuse story. I loved the whole carly/tony/bobbie Im your kid story. I loved Robin/stones hiv story. I loved BJs heart. I loved luke and laura on the run the first time. when we started getting in to the ice princess stuff or stavros being frozen or casey the alien - I guess I thought those stories were good because I loved L&L and robert and anna but I didnt enjoy them nearly the same. The more absurd, the more apt you are to lose me. I hated project orpheus on AMC and Ive said though I love david hayward and VI I do NOT want david in pc because of that story and having them potentially carry it to GH. Enough is enough. Tell me stories that make me gasp at the reveal, cry at the loss, cheer at the victory and otherwise explore and produce real human emotion. And if you are going to use flights of fantasy, use them in moderation. We know robin is a back from the dead person. The question is what other people are with her. My first choice would be the people that make sense. personally I never bought em was definitely dead. Alan, aj and jake are far less believably UNDEAD. Justus doesnt give us nearly as much story and honestly I dont really remember how he died to say where he fits on the spectrum. Georgie is probably somewhere in between - not as easily undone as Em but more so that alan aj and jake. I guess in the end what im saying is that I dont want 15 million characters coming back and FOR ME I personally would rather see them going with the ones that make the most sense from story perspective stemming from/originating with the idea that robin is one of the people taken.
EET - Franco is dead so he isn't holding Robin or anyone else. After Jason shot him "someone" (cough Heather) burned down the building with his body in it.
And I agree! I don't enjoy the time travel, visits to other worlds and Dr. David Hayward having stashed away every dead person ever on AMC!! Those stories are way too unbelievable to me and only prove what bad writers the soaps have these days!
New spoilers from GH Happenings ---
Summer Previews!
Kate: The other shoe hasn't dropped yet. "What we are trying to do with Kate is get to the root of why Connie exists in the first place. There's always a cause for DID. What is the one incident in her life that caused all this?"
Johnny: Is being haunted by his actions that led to the deaths of Cole and Hope. "He convinced Connie to take responsibility for it, which let him off the hook legally, but not morally." He needs to rebuild his life. "He thinks if he can try to restore Starr's life that he can make up for what he did to her."
Starr: "She is trying to move beyond this phase of wanting revenge against Sonny so she can build something new. Will she and Michael be able to build a relationship at all?"
Todd: Todd is less than thrilled with some of Starr's choices especially with her career. "Todd took an instant disliking to Johnny. He doesn't want this guy taking an interest in Starr's life." Todd will "also be a wrinkle in the road to forgiveness and recovery for Johnny and Carly.
Dante/Lulu: Could a love from the past threaten their marriage? "Dante doesn't like Johnny... Dante has been right all along because he really believed that it was Johnny who planted the gun and tried to frame Sonny. In fact, Dante is one of the few people who have been correct about the whole thing!" Unfortunately no one else knows that. "Dante hasn't given up trying to get the truth, and Johnny remains his number 1 suspect", despite Connie's confession. "Seeing that Dante is gunning for" Johnny, "he won't be too pleased at all if Lulu has anything to do with Johnny!"
Luke: Thanks to the fact that Johnny dumped Anthony's body on the Q property, and that several people know that Tracy and Luke have discussed offing him, this complicates his relationship with Anna. "He has a certain closeness to both women that is pretty strong. You don't know quite how its going to shake out. Who will he ultimate turn to?
Kristina: She returns with a bit of an edge. "... she wants to make her own decisions and not be controlled. She will bumped up against Sonny and Alexis." She may also cause problems for Michael's relationship with Starr.
Molly: We find out about her status with TJ and what those two have been up to.
Heather: "Olivia smells a rat", regarding Maggie's demise. Will that put her in the line of fire?
The Haunted Star: It will be re-purposed and become a place where some characters are starting over.
Quote Source: Ron Carlivati/SID
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Kristina's Back!...With a Dose of "Reality"!
Kristina's return to Port Charles is NOT going to be good news for her mom and dad. Not only is she furious at Alexis and Sonny for buying her way into Yale, but her form of payback is going to put Alexis and Sonny's lives on display for the whole world to see.
Kristina has her own reality show – "Mob Princess."
Kristina is home for the summer and she's wise to her parents' ways. NUKristina, Lindsey Morgan, explains, "All she wants from them is the truth, and she doesn't get it. So she's going to pull out her ace and get her vengeance!"
Kristina's vengeance reflects the dysfunction of her family in a way that has the potential of exploding in her face! "Kristina is the perfect blend of both of her parents. She is very ethical, like her mother. She's very honest and tells how she feels about things, which I feel comes from her mother, who lays down the law. Then again, she's very much like her father because she is very stubborn and can be kind of a hot head."
Kristina's family project will be part humor, part drama and create a new problem for Sonny and Alexis to have to deal with. Can they handle it gracefully if they present a united front? Morgan hints, "Both her parents are very strong, and when they come together... whoa!"
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Sam and Tea, will find themselves going into labor. And that's just the beginning. The increasingly tumultuous emotional triangle between Jason, Sam, and John McBain has reached a fever pitch, with Jason determined to send John a message in the form of some violent thugs. But what happens when Sam has to deliver the baby and John is the only one who can help her?
Téa finds an unlikely source of help when she goes into labor: Todd. Things start to go seriously wrong, however, and it's up to Todd to save both mother and child.
In case this all wasn't crazed enough, look for Heather Webber to find herself caught up in the fray!
Anthony's dead body has gone missing, much to Luke and Tracy's dismay. But while they search for the body, Dante has a warrant to arrest his father-in-law. How's Luke getting out of this one? Look for Lulu to get caught up in all the drama. Oh, and what does Heather have to do with all this? Notice the theme this week – Heather's all up in everyone's business.
Matt confesses to Patrick and Elizabeth that he killed Lisa. But Maxie has one more surprise that will throw a wrench into the legal proceedings against him.
Laura Wright in SOD, Carly "still cares about [Johnny], but it is going to take a lot for him to win back her trust."
Todd struggles with the truth.
Todd tells Starr that it was Kate who killed Cole and Hope.
Starr apologizes to Michael for blaming Sonny.
Kate may be caught offguard by the visitor who swings by for a chat: Starr!
Starr doesn't blame her for the deaths of Hope and Cole.
Sparks fly between Mac and Felicia!
Johnny suffers from nightmares.
Jason asks for forgiveness.
Spinelli helps Olivia.
Heather crashes into Tea's car causing her to go into labor.
Todd arrives and finds Tea in labor.
Todd and Tea bicker as the baby is born.
Todd takes Tea and the baby to GH.
Todd and Heather reach an agreement.
Steve sets out after Heather in the storm.
Heather manages to avoid being seen by Steve.
Sam labors as the storm worsens. Alone with the baby, Sam begins to bleed profusely and passes out.
Sam is in disbelief.
Sam encounters into someone.
Heather finds Sam.
Jason rushes Sam to General Hospital.
Will Anna's new job push Luke and Anna further apart or pull them closer together?
Carlivati had originally planned to bring Robin back soon and have Robin and Patrick be reunited (before word came of GH's extension) as part of the show's ending. He mentioned in the most recent SID about Robin being really alive and that he'll develop that story over time. "Its just a question of when can we do it? As we know, Kimberly is exploring some other stuff in her life right now, which I think is wonderful for her. If and when Kimberly is available to come back, that is really when we will tell this story in full force!" For now, Patrick will continue to believe that Robin is dead. "We'll be watching him go on a journey, with the audience knowing that at the end of it somewhere is Robin."
SOD reports that Nathin Butler (Dr. Ewan Keenan) was let go in late May. No word yet on his final air date. UPDATE: When asked by fans about his departure, Butler tweeted, "No, I'll be sticking around." Confusion reigns!
LOL sassy yes I know franco is dead..that was more a rhetorical - so does franco have robin - question...because we know he doesnt. so if jake is in the basement with robin, he isnt being held by franco. thats why i dont see how the jake/franco storyline works unless we are going to have hells having a not really dead Robin while across town franco and an also not dead aj have a not dead jake. How many layers of doom dungeons are hiding around the town of PC anyway? LOL Does caleb the vampire have all these people and does lucy the vampire slayer coe know about it lol.
OOH I smell a brain tumor for johnny. Just my gut but Im going with brain tumor
Oh, goodness, EET!
You and Miry should just write the material yourselves. Forget Ron and Frank. They're old... 
EET - LOL!! I know YOU know but I just thought I'd repeat it for those that still seem to think Franco has Jake. If there are any soap Gods or Goddesses we will NEVER have Franco back on our screens again!!
Sassy-You've been a busy, busy bee. Thanks for the new batch of "goodies".
(Just my opinion there.)
Having just seen the new Kristina, yeah, you can see the edge. Even from those last seconds on air. I'm gonna reserve judgement till she gets going.
I'm actually looking forward to seeing NLG's Alexis deal with the fall out
from the "Admittance to Yale" that wasn't. The bully will just bellow like a wounded bull.
I noticed there wasn't anything about McBain's girlfriend and son. Any thoughts on whether they show up? Or would there be more backlash?
As for my D&L, I just adore them to pieces, so let them be tested. I know JMB, DZ, and BrBa will handle the triangle beautifully when it comes to pass...
Here are SoapCentral.com's new spoilers ---
Jason turns to Liz for help
Jason takes his anger out on John for tipping off the cops
Sonny and Jason make sure that John gets a message
Kristina makes an announcement to her family
Sonny and Alexis have strong objections to Kristina's plans
Anna isn't interested in replacing Mac as the police commissioner
The case against Matt hits a snag, thanks to Maxie
Spinelli is left brokenhearted
Dante and Delores arrive at Johnny's penthouse with a search warrant
Luke and Tracy's frantic search for Anthony's body lands them in trouble
Lulu demands answers from her father
Johnny is determined to frame Luke and Tracy for Anthony's murder
Heather's new friend is dead weight
Sam and Téa go into labor
Unlikely sources are on hand to help Sam and Téa
Complications arise with the newborns
Jason realizes that he wants Sam and the baby in his life
Jason begs for forgiveness
Todd has second thoughts about what he's done
Sonny goes to Shadybrook
Starr does the unexpected
Johnny's guilty conscience plagues his dreams
Mac's life takes an unexpected turn, personally and professionally
And a few spoilers from Soaps.com ---
John McBain is being followed.
Heather makes a phone call.
Steve gets wasted.
Kate continues to deteriorate.
Kristina lashes out at her parents.
Sam's mom and sister try to help her.
Todd, Tea and Carly fight with Starr and Michael.
Carly and Todd like working together.
Johnny still wants Carly back.
Tea and Todd run into trouble on the road.
Sam gets trapped.
And while I'm at it here are some tidbits from SoapZone ---
The GH casting department needs a handsome, young actor to be a romantic foil for Starr and Michael, probably for a summer triangle. They’re auditioning actors now with Kristen Alderson (Starr). A kissing scene’s involved too.
Calm down, JaSam fans. Portrayer Rebecca Herbst (Elizabeth) promises her character is not out to break up Jason and Sam in any way. She’s actually in the couple’s corner, trying to coax Jason to give Sam another chance. Besides, Herbst said, Elizabeth’s long since moved on.
Nathin Butler (Ewen) recently tweeted that his character will survive (thanks to Dr. Drake Jr.). Fans of Ewen will be glad to know this actor is also a musician with his own band, The Sugar.
Jane Elliot (Tracy) acts with a difference. Perhaps because she doesn’t go with the flow like everybody else. She doesn’t do social networks. She never had plastic surgery. She’d rather not be recognized in public places. You’ll never find her doing fan events. It’s helped with her often villainous roles, to maintain the integrity of whatever it takes to pull off—without fear of retribution. At least, Elliot thinks so. “I'm not one of those actors who spends a lot of time engaging with the audience,” she told TV Guide’s Michael Logan in a May 15th-updated interview. “I'm fierce about my anonymity, which is why it's easy for me to play the villain. I'm not close enough to the audience to have them throw a pie in my face because of something Tracy just did.” She also doesn’t pine away for the damsel in distress roles. Elliot’s perfectly fine to play the villain, without flinching. She revealed that she doesn’t even like Tracy as a person, but she does like the “multi-dimensional” depths Tracy as a character gives her to play.
The respected veteran soap actress also strongly endorsed new executive producer Frank Valentini as a maverick, just like the late Gloria Monty was when she took on GH in the golden era of the 1980s. Elliot admired the workhorse ethic of Valentini, who “is the first one in the building in the morning and the last one out at night. And he works all weekend!,” as well as his fresh vision. “This is not to say that the people before him didn't care, but he's committed to this show in a very unique way. There's no substitute for loving the medium. You know that saying ‘A new broom sweeps clean?’ Well, that's Frank. As good as [former exec producer] Jill Phelps was and as much as I loved working with her, a new broom sweeps clean. Frank comes to this show with fresh eyes, with no disappointments, no frustrations over lost battles. He comes with everything he has to give.”
Elliot then praised new head writer Ron Carlivati for finally using her mob history (back when she crossed over to The City) in story. It’s something she’d wanted previous head writer Bob Guza Jr. to do, to no avail. “I tried for nine years to get Bob Guza to acknowledge that Tracy had been married to a member of the mob in New York and he completely ignored it. But within minutes of Ron getting there he brought it up, and I love him for that! I'm told that they're going to do a love triangle with Anna [Finola Hughes], Luke and Tracy, and how thrilling would that be? How good is that? In all my years on GH, Tracy has never been in a triangle!”
She’s absolutely thrilled to have some GH veterans back and joining her and her friend Tony Geary (Luke) for their own stories. There’s a “muscle memory” amongst them that you can’t fake. “When Tony and I look at each other on camera you see all of that history. It goes beyond the words. It's two people who have spent more than half their lives together.”
Wishing everyone here on the GH Spoiler thread a fabulous, relaxing, blessed and safe Memorial Day. Hug a veteran if you can and say "Thank You!"...
I hope everyone has a relaxing and safe Memorial Day weekend!!
@EET: I did explain what happened to him when I said that Hells "saved" him when everyone thought he was brain-dead & was taken off of life-support (again, she managed to save Stravos, she could easily have the means to do the same for Lucky's "kid"). So, to be clear: what I am saying is *No* to all the petri-dish/'new kid who is not Jake' being run over/no-one recognizing a new Jake stuff you were saying you had a problem with. I am saying that Jake was indeed hit, operated on, gave Joss one of his kidneys, etc. BUT that Hells/someone gave him some sort of drug or something that made it look like he was dead (just like she probably did to Em since we all saw Nik crying over her body for days-- we would have to suspend our disbelief there as well) & she TOOK him & was able to "fix" him (just as she did for Starvos). Jake could be in the same place as Robin b/c Hells is working with Faison who took Robin for his own purposes. Hell, I even came up with a scenario that I posted years ago that Faison took Georgie in order to keep Frisco in line to do his bidding (which is why he has been MIA for all these years), so she'd be there too!
And it could easily be explained that Faison took Robin for the same reason to get Robert to do what he wants which could explain/redeem Robert for leaving (he is not actually chasing after a "new" kid, he just used that as an accuse to do what he has to do to save Robin; maybe working with Frisco).
And in my storyline that I cooked up, I am implying that Franco could have done the same thing. Also, please keep in mind that I said that I wrote that in March of LAST year, before Robin was "dead" & taken, so I didn't know that 2 ppl would be kidnapped at the same time when I wrote that scenario. And no, I DO NOT WANT FRANCO BACK! nor do I think that he will come back. I was just saying that it would have been a good storyline & that it would be another POTENTIAL way in which Jake could be alive, which was the point of my original post.
But as to what you are saying, YES I can assume that 2 ppl were taken by 2 different ppl just like we can have 2 crazy ppl running around town (well, 3 if you count AZ/now Johnny), and 2 ppl being murders, and 2 ppl managing to drag 2 life-less bodies out of their apt's with no-one seeing them, etc, etc. I understand that you do not want Jake to be brought back for whatever reason, but I am saying that they HAVE DONE CRAZIER things on this show before, so to say that you couldn't suspend your disbelief long enough to accept a storyline in which Jake is not really dead is, IMHO, laughable.
I agree with you Re: all the flights of fancy, however, if good story can be told after it, then I am all for it. I didn't like the idea of Project O, HOWEVER, I FLOVED that it gave us Dixie & Stuart back (& no longer made Adam his killer)! They should have never died in the first place, and sometimes crazy things have to happen in order to right some "wrongs". We all know that Jake being brought back would be an EXCELLENT storyline. The implications it would bring to Liz, Lucky (they would have to bring him back), Jason, LUKE (who would no longer be a grandson/baby-killer), Sam (& her new kid with Jason), the Q's, etc. Jason would want to claim his son/Lucky would be against it, Sam would worry where their child would fit into this (McBAM!), etc., etc. ...this would bring an umbrella story that could resonate for years.
Edited to add: But I know that this is something that we won't agree on, so let's move on. I do hope that some writer uses my idea though, & brings Jake back when they bring back Robin!!
I always felt like Franco was the mastermind behind Jake's accident. With Franco's death, that's obviously not going to happen. Well, unless Heather has him now! LOL! I always thought the fans would be better writer's.
Have a great weekend everyone!
@ahanshew:
Ditto to you!! & everyone else!!
Hello all and Happy Memorial Weekend to you all!! Please don't forget to thank a vet in whatever way you can.
Before I share all the DD goodies, I don't know if you have seen elsewhere that Kristina has hidden cameras in Alexis' and Sonny's homes. That's how the reality show is being done. And she hates Starr (yay!!). And supposedly the teen coming is Kate's kid. I think this will be the one in the triangle with Starr and Michael.
Here are a few goodies from DD:
Heather leaked it, but John had Jason arrested.
John will tell Anna what he did on Monday. meant to say Tues. Forgot about the Monday repeat.
JaSam will be a full family again in July.
Heather wants Luke.
Mac and Felicia will get the Cord/Tina treatment.
The wrong person overhears Matt confess to killing Lisa.
Finding out the rape was an illusion is only the beginning of the story in store. Many twists and turns.
John and Liz were the temporary "angst" for Jasam before the birth, nothing more.
Jason will accept and love the baby before he knows he is the father, and Sam will know it.
Do they both go searching for the baby? When will they have the baby back? Did heather take it, or Franco?
They eventually search together. Heather does not work alone.
She hasn't fully forgiven him when they go search together.
Jason puts his life on the line for Sam and her baby.
Jason apologizes and then backs up his words with actions. It just won't be easy.
Do you know anything about Sam and McBain being siblings?
As far as I know, that is still true.
Liz is a sounding board for Jason and "angst" for JaSam. RC used her and John for a bait and switch to cause buzz, but it was never to go anywhere. As far a I know, they have barely even taped scenes together in weeks.
Both newborns need medical attention.
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DeJa Vu....
Something to ponder before the lights go out....
Those who didn't like the story the first time around hate it more this time around....
and the story was set in motion....
Who is the brains of that organ ring operation....
and what secrets do they hold....
Who has the courage to fight for what is right and tell the truth....
and what prize will they get....
Who gets their hearts desire as the summer heat comes....
and how will it move them in a new direction....
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DeJa Vu....
May finishes out 2006 and June starts 2007....
Connections....And the women choose sides....
The doctor will save his family, but is it too late....
The children hold the answers....
DeJa Vu....
The unions fans have been DYING for....
One man's regrets keep piling up....
Families are dissected from the inside out....
The things this woman will say and do to help another....
Thank god for spousal privilege....
Crazy bitches are not someone you want on your bad side....
The man that brings the mob to its knees....
The trial....
The history lesson....
Old feelings rekindle this summer, but she pushes him away....
A connection that can't be denied....
A connection that resurfaces....
This mother goes for the jugular....
This woman won't get brokenhearted again....
Old loves return to claim what is theirs, is it too late?....
And the children come home....
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Okay - me now: What was the end of 2006 and the beginning of 2007? I think that is when I quit watching because of how they wrote Sam and Alexis.
Note - the "children" return home. Robin, Hope, maybe Jake? Maybe Georgie?
Miry - I like your Jake return. I think you are right that the ramifications of his return would cover practically every character on canvas!! And boy does Jason deserve to smacked over the head with a frying pan followed by a bowling ball! Bringing Jake back could be that self-punishment he needs.
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Neither Sam nor Tea give birth to twins.
There is no missing baby just a swap of a living baby for a deceased baby.
Supramom- Thanks for your bunch of "goodies". Was wondering where you
were...
Thanks Supra! And thanks to Sassy & everyone who is finding & posting these spoilers!! This is fun!
I will be REAL sad if they make John & Sam siblings! I hope that that was just the initial plan but that now that TPTB see how POPULAR they are, they will NO LONGER go that route! I want Jason to cross yet another line by having John beat up, & for Sam to be mad at him and turn to John! I am sorry, but McBAM is it for me!! Jasam can try to get back together, but I want the pull/allure of John to be too much for Sam... the fact that he was always there for her, when Jason couldn't be bothered, I want that to still mean something to her. I want Sam to say that her feelings changed for Jason b/c of the way that he acted towards her & her child after she was RAPED (which does actually happen in real life). I mean he was going around town telling ppl it wasn't his kid like she freakin' cheated on him or something!! That shyt cannot be easily forgiven/forgotten! So, I want SAM to be the one that is torn! And I don't even really like Sam, lol, and I want her to have this story! What does that tell you?? That she is smokin' hot with John. To be honest I am quite surprised that they still have that old Caleb & Livvie magic (it is VERY hard to recapture that, sooo many soaps have tried & failed!) & the stupid PTB wanna mess that up?!!? I will say, that Ron/C have actually made me start to care about Sam with this storyline, which I never thought would happen, so that is at least something.
so who's baby is going to die, Tea or Sam's???
also, didn't Sam barely find out she was pregnant a few weeks ago??
if hers is the baby that dies and Heather or someone gives her Tea's baby, how is she going to explain receiving a baby (presumably Tea's) that was well into it's 9th month of gestation??
Sam got pregnant in late September & she found out in December, just before Christmas. She's due.
TY for the clarification.
the timeline seemed a bit wonky.