Y&R Classic Adam

This isn't "classic Adam", it's CLASSIC character assassination!!!! The writers are asking us to believe the GARBAGE that they are peddling, and they are trying to COMPLETELY ruin this character!!! Mission accomplished!!! They don't have to work THIS hard to completely strip Adam of all his redeemability and humanity, their careless writing has done exactly that. Still a die hard Y&R fan, but don't understand some of the decisions being made lately......................

 Adam wasn't a sociopath when he first came to town but he sure was a person that was smart enough to recognize when he could or couldn't take advantage of a situation.  That's not character assassination that's who Adam is.  Adam was a cookie cutter guy when he came to town.

Adam is way past due!  He needs to die already. He needs to pay for all the trouble and turmoil he has caused everyone on the show.

I don't think that Adam is a sociopath.  His helping Jack frame Victor and gaslighting Ashley were revenge plots that went too far, and he figured the best way out was to continue the lie both times.  I think he actually feels bad about what he has done.  The reason I believe that is that his remorse is personal, versus other characters tha do bad things are always saying they are sorry just because they get caught.  I am in no way excusing his behavior, and his tendency to do horrible things does not make him a good person, it just makes him a "villain" I can sort of like.  I think his lies have to come out, but I am a little annoyed that Phyllis, who got away free and clear of attempted murder and other vile acts, is the main force behind it.  She acts as if she is some paragon of virtue.  And to that end, the hatred of Adam by Nick, Victoria, and Phyllis before the diary thing was never really justified for me, so I think that has a big reason why I like Adam more than the rest of his family.

As long he dies in the end i don 't even care anymore.

I don't want him to die, he's a Newman.  I can't complain about killing core family members and then say I want him dead.

I can, however, say I don't know how to feel about him because he isn't consistent.  He's blind, he's not blind.  He's not remorseful, he is remorseful.  His new family drove him to these schemes, now he was like this all along.  I wish they could figure him out so I could figure out how to feel about him.

I like Muhney's portrayal of Adam but they changed his persona big time just when I thought he was on the road to redemption he does something else there was a window here where I thought they were trying to fix hlm....basically all his past deeds are coming at him so even if he was reformed its here to bite him in the bum.

As for being a socio (psycho)  path I think its definition fits this Adam his social behavior is extremely abnormal

he seems to be interested in his own personal needs and desires without concern for the effects of  his behavior on others....

I'm not a behavior clinician just a textbook definition but  his behavior fits the script

antisocial behavior. He fits psycho path because he uses charisma, manipulation, intimidation, sexual intercourse and violence to control  others and to satisfy their own needs. He lacks conscience/empathy he takes what he wants and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without guilt or remorse"

What's missing,  are the very qualities that allow a human being to live in social harmony"

Whatever the case Adam is one sick puppy so? whatever  LoL' I thought he was feeling remorseful and starting to feel guilt for what he did with Sharon and Ashley  especially exemplified in his dialog to Hope.  It makes for good story, but just saying.

You say Adam's a sick puppy.  I don't think he even starts to compare to Patti, and how she's turning out.  At least Adam seems to have developed some kind of conscience, (even if it only comes out when falling from high altitudes, and when talking to pictures of his mother), but Patti is turning out to be pure evil.  She reminds me of Sheila.  One sick, dangerous puppy!  Stacey Haiduk has done a wonderful job of creating a totally hateful character, who is not only a sicko, but is really, really hateful!  I will be so glad to see her gone and only Emily remaining.  At least I hope the writers do things that way, as I really am starting to hate Patti.  Stacey Haiduk's acting  is a keeper, they can give her other issues later.

I was wondering if he was physically sick today.  What was with all the holding onto furniture as he was walking around the room?  Sharon even said he didn't look good.  I was expecting a reason and never got one.  Any ideas? 

Although Hope raised Adam, he still is Victor's son. There was no sweeter character on Y&R as Hope and no one more ruthless than Victor. We don't think the writer's have written Adam into a corner as long as they begin to develop Adam's better half. Wishful thinking on our part, we love MM as Adam and "hope" Y&R will extend his contract.

I think of all the other past sociopaths on the show that have been redeemed and I say that if they want to they can figure out a way to redeem Adam as well and make him into simply a bad boy that is sometimes good and is misunderstood.  Redeemed Sociopaths Currently on the Show: 

PHYLISS - When she first came on the show, she claimed Danny impregnated her with baby Daniel in order to get him to marry her when she knew full well another guy was her "baby daddy"...later used sex in order to get shrink Dr. Tim to help keep her secret...later still tried to run down Christine with her car while wearing sungalsses and a bad wig!

MICHAEL - First came on the show as boss to lawyer-in-training Christine Blair and tried to sexually harrass her...when she said "NO MEANS NO" he later fired her and tried to have her disbarred...was so obsessed he rented the apartment next to hers and burrowed through the wall in an attempt to rape and kill her...also killed his secretary Diane when she threatened to expose the truth.

KEVIN - met jail bait Lilly Winters online and coerced her into sex even giving her an STD in the process....tried to kill Colleen by setting fire to a restaurant with her trapped inside....trashed JT and Mac's crib....even at one point was going to kill Jana...and the list gos on and on with him. 

VICTOR - When he first came on the show, he believed Michael Scott was the real "baby daddy" to Vic's first wife Julia so he imprisoned Michael Scott in his basement and tricked out his ranch with hidden cameras...led Julia to believe Michael had ran off and forced Michael to watch (via the hidden cameras) as Vic rekindled the flame with Julia and they made love all throughout the house...almost starved Michael with very little food and water....later MIchael escaped and it came to light that 'ole Vic was the daddy of the baby after all.  Julia left Victor in disgust at what he did but Vic pretty much got off scott free....many years later he would have killed the dude responsible for the murder of his wife number 3,492 (Sabrina) if the damned boat hadn't capsized first....in the years between those two events Victor has committed more crimes than I can articulate here. 

That's just the current batch...and there are others I'm leaving out!  If murder, attempted murder, false imprisonment, statutory rape, stalking, etc. can be redeeming qualities in Genoa City then why should a little thing like a baby swap and gaslighting a woman to the point of insanity make a difference? :-)

Actually, you all are missing one important fact here.

Sky never knew Adam as "Adam" - she only knew him as Vic, and never would have written about him in her college diary as "Adam"! 

Adam never went by that name until he arrived in Genoa City and dropped the "Vic", this was because he did not want to be accused of getting his job via Nepotisim.  If anyone doubts what I am stating, then please go onto YouTube and look up Chris Engen's first scenes in Genoa City - especially the one at the GCAC Bar, where Victor introduces Adam and Nick to each other for the first time.  You will also see what an absolute snot Nick was to him. 

Oh - and then go and look up Adam's first and (most importantly) second scenes with dear Victoria, and you will hear her response to Adam's question: " Wern't you guys (meaning her and Nick) ever curious to meet me?"   Once you here her response (which made me cringe!), well, you can begin to understand why Adam has the attitude towards his loving family that he has!

So, this leads me to one of two conclusions here:  Either Sky's diary is a big ol' fake, OR - the writers are, once again, taking creative license and re-writing Adam's pre-Genoa City history - once again.

Just sayin'.

BetseyD

Like I said, casting and writing....y'all know where to find me.  It was dumb to call him Adam.  His name was Victor.  Ya missed the mark again.  Email me...I'm lookin for job.  Firing and recasting....seems to me you need to start with yourselves.  (everybody lookin around at each other now...lol)  Me...no, not me. 

I don't understand that. He was known as Adam Wilson from birth and through his time at Harvard. How would Skye know him as Vic? Anyway I think Adam has alwsys been the heartless person that he is. Who knows what he did at Harvard to get his way. I know it keeps being mentioned that he shoudl be such a sweetie because Hope was blind. Even if he weren't Victor's child, he would probably be manipulative since he may have had to fend for himself at times with a non seeing mom......But I think he has been way doing something evil. Probably forging the diary. It may have something in it that will lead the others to beleive that Dr ? was trying to steal babies. DumB! So how would he know that Phylis would find it. He was being given info from past friends at Harvard that Phyllis was investigating him. He may have figured it was worth looking bad to get out of this thing in some odd way............also I think he may fake fake a disappearence of some sort in the end. 

WoW did your post bring back a lot of memories,   I forgot about all the stuff Kevin did and Victor too!!
I am one of the few people who believe most characters "can be redeemed" 
"in a soap opera" because IMO its all in the pen....

That's just the current batch...and there are others I'm leaving out!  If murder, attempted murder, false imprisonment, statutory rape, stalking, etc. can be redeeming qualities in Genoa City then why should a little thing like a baby swap and gaslighting a woman to the point of insanity make a difference? 

ITA

BetsyD, THANK YOU so much for your post.  The diary stuff is a really good catch.  But the stuff about when Adam first met Nick and Victoria is the exact root of why I like Adam and hate his siblings. Along with that, when Victor told Victoria that he ahd first hired Adam, she was like "what do you know about him and you didn't ask me first" as if Adam did not belong because his mother was not Nikki  That has bothered me for two years.  Their treatment of him was NEVER fair and it makes me sick that the writers have made Adam do these horrible things and made these two dispicable characters (Nick and Victoria) be so sanctimonious, when it was their rejection that put him no this course.  When Victor came back from Mexico, he only got Michael's view on what happened when he was gone, and never heard how Adam was treated before the will was read.  That also pissed me off, because people like Michael and Neil were also immediately dismissive of Adam as if he did not belong for some reason.  I would much have rather the sibling rivalry be romantic ala Phyllis and Sharon for Nick v Adam and business between Adam v Victoria, but they chose to ruin the Adam character.  The acting anddialog  writing has been pretty good(both Engen and Muhney), but I hate the direction they have taken the Adam character.

Do any of you remember that when Adam first came to town he tried to take sleep with Nick's wife, Phyllis?

I remember Victoria being a jerk to him right away, but Nick wasn't that bad with him until he found out about Adam trying to get Phyllis.

I remember that when he first met Phyllis he tried to pick her up not knowing who she was.  For a little after that I remember him being a little awkward and slightly inappropriate with her because he related more to her than to the rest of them.  I thought that since this is a soap that it could have easily been an interesting triangle, in which case I think most people would have been on Nick's side.  However, as it was I think it was slightly overreacted to by Phyllis, and when Nick told Adam to knock it off, Adam apologized and tried to stay away from Phyllis and SHE kept insisting they interact with each other.  This is also during the time when Adam was trying to support Nick's magazine when Victor was not giving him the time of day.  Adam NEVER came on to Phyllis physically or even verbally after he knew who she was, he was just briefly attracted to her, which he completely got over when he met Heather in the GCAC gym.

Which brings me back to my point that while he was somewhat aggressive and ambitious at work, he did not have a "chip on his shoulder" or "feel entitled" like Vicoria, Neil, and Michael proclaimed then or now.  His friction with them was always about business, until they fired him, threw him off the ranch, and most importantly went around blackballing ihm in the business community.  He was a well accomplished business person and that he achieved on his own, and for them to go around and make it so he could not find a job was wrong and it has never been addressed as to who did it!  That was why he teamed up with Jack and started his descent into sociopathy, because these people had not only rejected him, but they ruined the life and reputation that he had created before he even knew they existed.  No, Ashley's baby did not deserve to die nor did Sharon's deserve to be stolen, but why does Jack not have to pay for his part in the diary and Victor or whoever for ruining Adam's professional reputation?  That is what bothers me about how Adam has been written and treated for the last year.