I think you are all missing the bottom line...Jason didn't love Sam ENOUGH, to stay with her and a child that he thought was not his...That to me is the worst thing about it all...His love for her has limits. If he really loved Sam, he would have stayed with her after discovering Franco was the father. She was a victim...What happened to her was not her fault...His love for her should have trumped any bad feelings he had for Franco....I think this is the real problem.

GHFan777 - I agree with your #31 post completely. Well said!

GHFan777, I agree with all of that! One of the things on soaps that bugs me is that men are portrayed as loving children based on their paternity (John McBain, I'm looking at you, too!). It's particularly disgusting in the Jason case, because Sam was raped and Jason is being portrayed as the victim. It makes no sense. Suck it up, Morgan!

I don't think jason is being portrayed as the victim. Jasamabby makes the point that Sam is the one getting the sympathy. She is getting the writing from these showrunners. I would say that she would get sympathy from SamFF anyway. They find a way to excuse her purposefully harming small children while blaming Liz for turning her back. But, I digress. Jason is being thrown under the bus while he has been lied to and is recovering from multiple brain surgeries. He also lost his oldest friend. Where is Jason' s sympathy?

I would also like to add that it is interesting how Jasamabby completely disregards anyone elses opinion

I dont think Jasamm seems to be disregarding your opinions so much as she doesnt share them. As for jason - he seems to have this strange fixation on franco and the sc called limitation of his love for sam wasnt so much about sam being pregnant in the end so much as it was sam being pregnant with FRANCO's baby. We saw that when he was sick, the only thing that really seemed to trigger him was franco. Im wondering if he isnt as 100% as people believe. If it turns out that he abandoned sam because unbeknownst to anyone he still has bran issues going on, will you come back to this thread and admit that no, there are no limits to his love for one woman - SAM

I find it funny that the people that are so fixated on sam sleeping with ric and jason having to witness it forget that jason walked in on zander and liz boinking.

and yes sam was forgiven because a. she begged forgiveness for years b. she saved jake and c. jake didnt die because of sams actions, he died because liz was reading her latest paternity test and had never installed proper locks on the doors. Its way easier to forgive I would think if no one was ACTUALLY harmed in any lost lasting way vs. Jason Jr. who as far as sam knows is DEAD.

I am not disregarding your opinion because your opinion is yours. I highly doubt anything I could say would make you love Jasam as much as I love them. I was pointing out that no matter what Sam does she will be hated by certain viewers. I have seen some people say they couldn't respect because they knew she would roll over and stay with Jason. When she didn't do that she was then just hated for leaving Jason. If you hate Sam so much that she can never do any right then your opinion on her is just not valid to me.

I don't have that kind of hate for any character on the show. However if I hated say Liz as much as certain posters hate Sam and always went out of my way to say negative things about her- would you really care what I had to say about her. Highly doubtful..

Again their are just certain people who no matter what she does they are going to hate her. That is their right.. It's totally my right to not agree with them about it when it doesn't make sense to me..

Not to harp on this but also I was mainly refering just to the fact that I don't take some peoples opinion about the character of Sam as fair. Not other issues or characters on the show. I love being able to read what everyone thinks because I sometimes get a different POV then my own. However I love the character of Sam- and when I can tell by reading from the same person over and over that hate her- and to some extent the person also hates Kemo- well why would I consider what they had to say about her..
Because in the end that person will probably never care for the character. So the writers will never be able to make the character please said person.

Well I don't hate Sam because she isn't real. Fiction is something i understand. I do not like the character. I have never hid my disgust of her yes sir no sir attitude with Jason and his couch. Has she walked away? Sure but in the most hypocritical fashion. Forgive me for my transgressions but please understand that I will never forgive you yours because I have found another shoulder to cry on. That is crap and I would love to see Jason call her on it. Maybe Carly will.
As for Kelly Monico- no, don't love her and don't hate her. She isn't a very talented actress and she uses the worst facial expressions and arm waving to ever get me to love her. I want poor Leslie Charleson to be appreciated but I cannot have that so I focus on KM and her eating up LC airtime. It isn't fair but I dont hate her.

Let her focus on DWTS . More power to her. Maybe other actresses will get some story.

Gee I guess Becky whos in the steven story and the jasam story and the ewan story and the patrick story and im sure at some point the lulu story isnt eating up leslies screen time? I guess laura isnt taking up any of the airtime that could otherwise go to Leslie. I guess Kristen A isnt taking up any of the airtime that could otherwise go to Leslie. Nope its all about kelly.

As for the rest, I find it comical that a becky fan could EVER complain about an actress having poor facial expressions. If that aint the snarkabrow calling the kettle black.

I love Liz/RH's "bitch please and snarky brow look"! Heck, even Cam gives a good "bitch please" look!

I have no idea why Monica/LC is not on the show these days, because RC/FV used the older vets on OLTL.

Yup Becky's 2 days is eating away at LC airtime. Kelly being on 5 days isn't doing it.

Again in my POV when it comes to Sam leaving it all has to do with her grief- hypocritical by your standards or not. I would not judge a character based on their actions during the grief of loosing their child..

But Sam left before she lost the child.

My bad GHvet- I meant she left for her child but divorced him because of her grief.. Sorry..

Becky is on WAYY more than two days a week and she is in every story. The character is uninteresting and the actress too weak to be on that much and yes thats time that could go to monica. I would much rather see monica reaching out to sam, visiting patrick, mixing it up with tracy and in Heathers face.

Becky is on WAYY more than two days a week and she is in every story. The character is uninteresting and the actress too weak to be on that much and yes thats time that could go to monica. I would much rather see monica reaching out to sam, visiting patrick, mixing it up with tracy and in Heathers face.

The assumption being that Monica would reach out to Sam. I would love her to reach out to Jason or Tracy or Patrick. I am hoping she gets involved with this medical crisis. I would like her to be shown with Anna. Has anyone told her that Sam's baby died and he wasn't Jason's?

Would she side with Sam after she discovers Sam has been cheating?

Jason told her about the baby and what happen on their honeymoon. It wasn't cheating and she was aware of that. That is when she told Jason the story about how she couldn't love him until she held him. Then Sam and Jason met at Kellys and he told Sam Monica wanted to still be a part of the babies life and she was excited for it. I think I got that right...

Kelly Monaco's only preference, I'm sure, is to stay gainfully employed with GH. So she's smart to stay on the fence. No sense in playing favorites in these ongoing soap fan wars. Nobody seems to ever win!!

One thing monica is not (if written true to character) is a hypocrite. I highly doubt monica would throw stones at sam for kissing another man given how unsupportive jason had been especially in light of her own marital history. Monica likes sam because she knows sam advocated for the qs with jason and gave her a pass on the hit and run, Post robin what have the other women in jasons life done for monica that even remotely compares.

One thing monica is not (if written true to character) is a hypocrite. I highly doubt monica would throw stones at sam for kissing another man given how unsupportive jason had been especially in light of her own marital history. Monica likes sam because she knows sam advocated for the qs with jason and gave her a pass on the hit and run, Post robin what have the other women in jasons life done for monica that even remotely compares.

If Monica knew the truth about Sam's vile actions against Jake, she would NOT be nice to the woman at all.

A-FREAKING-MEN!!!

And Monica has always been about Jason so if she knew that Sam was sucking face with Mr. Hottie Cop while still married it might make her unhappy. And sorry just because I cheat doesn't mean I plain on accepting everyone else who does it...so what Monica has done in the past should not play especially when its against your child

Amen to that - honestly, I would love for Monica to have a voice so we do not have to wonder what she would say. I don't see her siding with anyone but Jason.

Do you really think shes really going to go off on sam for something that she did nearly five years ago and jason has already forgiven? In that, you are right she is going to follow jasons lead, esp. since sams actions did not lead to jake getting actually hurt. That would be liz who, unlike carly, did NOT have a fenced in yard, and also did not have proper locks on the door, failed the lock what normal lock was on the door, and lost track of him twice before. Even if sam had NOT been in the park, you all seem to forget that maureen STILL would have snatched jake after the opportunity that liz presented her to take him.

As for the kiss, i dont believe she would be hypocritical. I think she would say that she regretted her outside relationships and then she would encourage the two of them to work through things.

I love how people still imply that Liz was negligent when she tied Cam's shoe while Jake was kidnapped by Maureen! Anyone with kids knows that you don't have your eyes on them constantly. It's impossible, especially when you have two. It's also these same people that in the same breath will say it's not Sam's fault she watched Maureen walk away with Jake, didn't stop her or say anything, didn't report it later, and refused to help find Jake all the while rubbing it in Liz's face that Jake was probably dead. Sam's imaginary, unwritten mental breakdown (for which she received not hospitalization or treatment - because it never happened) excuses her endangering Jake twice (both purposefully), but Liz is a horrible mother for tying her other son's shoe? Really?

As for Monica....she is a hypocrite and has always been a hypocrite. How many times did she cheat on Alan, and then get angry at Alan for cheating on her? Look at the way she has spoken to Liz lately. Monica has been torn between two men before and has lied and plotted and schemed, yet she bitched out and judged Liz. She also bitched at Liz about the stolen drugs, yet she was an alcoholic driving around town like a bat out of hell and never turned herself in for OUI. Monica likes Sam and is nice to Sam in order to get access to Jason. If Jason was with any other woman (except Carly), Monica would suck up to her as well in order to get close to Jason.

She didnt bitch out Liz for being torn between two men, she bitched out liz for lying to her about a grandchild she desperately ached to hold and then not taking proper care of him. Plenty of moms watch two children without allowing one to be kidnapped. And that gets you a pass ONCE. How many times and ways did she take lousy care of jake? Not getting the yard fenced in even though the street was busy. Not having an out of reach lock on the door. Not locking the lock she DID have on the door. Not getting the lock fixed on the door when it locked her out of the house and the house nearly burned down. Losing control of jake at the fair and then leaving him at the hospital alone so she could gowax niks floors with her naked behind.

I also thoroughly reject the idea that just because sam didnt get treatment doesnt mean that she wasnt going through a breakdown. given the amount of loss she had in her life leading up to liz wedging herself between her and her fiance and the lack of people in her life at the time to see that she was spoiling out, its not surprising that there wasnt someone to pull her out of it. She didnt really become herself again until lucky mended her broken heart.

Lucky mended her broken heart? When did that happen? When he used her to get back at Liz and Jason, or when he called out Liz's name while making out with Sam? They had some chemistry, but the writers never fully explored it and they never had a meaningful relationship.

And yes, plenty of moms have watched two kids without one getting kidnapped. And plenty of moms have had a child get kidnapped, or have had a child run out a door into the street or into a neighbor's yard with a pool, or have a child run off at a fair. People with children know that you can't prevent everything and you can't watch your child all the time. It doesn't make you a bad mother just because you turn your back for 2 seconds and something bad happens. She has never done anything purposefully to hurt her children. And, this is a soap. Soap kids getting lost, kidnapped, sick, etc. are a staple of soaps.

But, sure bring up accidents that happen to Liz's kids while at the same time defending Sam for harming kids on purpose. I can admit that Liz makes mistakes (cheating with Nik, trying to keep Cam from Zander, trusting Ric, etc.), but can SamFF admit that Sam purposefully harmed Jake twice without making up mental breakdowns that were never written?

Js- no they cannot.

I doubt there has ever been a parent who has never last track of their kid. They are slippery little things. I about had a meltdown on the Staten Island Ferry when one of my boys ran off in the opposite direction because he saw a guy that he thought looked like the Comedian who voices Tow Mater. True story! He hid on me for fun in Walmart.

Its not losing track of the kids once its the pattern. Its not having fencing, its taking the kids trust fund, its leaving jake in the hospital alone so she could go ho ho hoing her way over to wyndemere, its not fixing the lock on the door pre fire.. Those arent the things that just happen to busy moms they are incidents that stem from choices liz made. Every parent loses track of their kids on occasion. few moms have a pattern.

And yes, sam hurt jake once purposefully and once she didnt do anything to help when maureen moved to kidnap him, but Im sorry I do believe she was in the midst of a breakdown. I think sams bigger mistake was the earlier cons - even if I do understand why she did it in trying to provide for danny all while functioning without a degree and while being hunted by the cops - but it was still wrong.

As for lucky, I believe they loved each other as people even if they were never IN love.