I'm not generally a fan of couples, so I'm not saying this as someone who is anti-Liason or pro-Jasam. (If I had to choose, though, I'd say let Jason be single because I like both Sam and Liz, and I prefer them when they are out of his orbit.) I am, however, saying this as someone who is extremely pro-Rebecca Herbst. I just don't think having Liz being inserted into the Jasam story is doing the character or the actress any favors. Liz is coming across as a second-string afterthought, and I'd like to see her in a story where she is more of a central player. That's why I'm still surprised that she and Patrick are only now crossing paths after weeks of not communicating at all.

In my opinion, the Lulu/Patrick choice should be Liz/Patrick. I had a friendly debate several weeks ago with a few posters about Lulu's involvement in Patrick's storyline, and several people mentioned that Lulu's experiences with addicts made her more than qualified to the driving force in Patrick's going to rehab. Fair enough.

I see that point, but I still think her inclusion in the story is pretty random, especially since she's now playing a larger role than Maxie. After all, the same addictions that affected Lulu also affected Liz, and in some ways, more profoundly than they did Lulu. Her marriage to Lucky ended because of his addiction, and she lost her son because Luke's addiction. If that doesn't qualify her to urge Patrick to get his butt to rehab, I don't know what does. In fact, I think scenes with Liz urging Patrick to get help would actually have carried more emotional weight because of all she lost due to Lucky's and Luke's addictions.

Furthermore, with the Ewen reveal, I think a Ewen, Liz, Patrick, Robin quadrangle actually makes a lot of sense. We all know that endgame is most likely Jasam (especially since Jason Jr. is alive, and Jason's the father), so it just seems like another waste of time for Liz. With Ewen, though, I'm not convinced that he's the ultimate bad guy in Robin's story. The GH blogger on SoapCentral suggested that he might actually be working to save Robin from the actual mastermind (who I hope to God turns out to be someone less obvious than Helena Cassadine), and I wouldn't be surprised if that turns out to be true. Yes, Ewen is keeping Robin from her loved ones, but from all the evidence I've seen so far, he does seem to be genuinely concerned for her, even somewhat remorseful, and he's shown no signs (yet!) of being evil or diabolical. And apparently, Nurse Fletcher isn't all bad. Remember when she gave Robin the shock treatments, she said under her breath something along the lines of "This is the part of the job that I really hate"? I feel as if the players we've seen thus far are merely pawns.

There's more to this story than meets the eye, and since Liz has strong ties to all of the players, I hope that she plays a huge role in it. Even if she and Patrick don't actually go there, I think her getting closer to Patrick would be a far more organic complication for when Robin returns (especially since Robin herself was pushing them together when she feared she was going to die after Lisa tampered with her meds) than a random, from-out-of-nowhere Patrick/Lulu pairing would be.

Ah feeding the fan wars I see.

Jezza - I agree. Liz deserves more than Jason.

Haha, GHvetfan. I hope the Liason fans don't come after me, because I'm not trying to prop Jasam here. Honest! For the most part, I stay out of the couples wars because I'm more a fan of individual characters than of pairings. But I would just like to see Liz in a story where she can be a more meaningful player. Although Jason has been a douche lately, I've always liked the character (and the actor). I just don't think he's particularly built for romance (the character, not the actor). It's nice to see him finally having to do some work, though, which is one of the brightest spots of this story. But naturally, when the truth about the baby switch and paternity comes out, it will be Jason and Sam, just like it was John and Natalie on OLTL, and I'd hate to see Liz go the way of Marty or Brody in order to make that happen.

I am not just a Liason fan, but a LizFF. Sam admitted to Jason that she chased after him (dropping out of the sky in her panties, the red bikini in Florida, the peepshow outfit, etc) not long after Liason ended things when Jake was grabbed by the Russian's. I guess this means Sam was the rebound girl in 2009 since Jason couldn't or wouldn't put Liz/Cake in danger. Liz has not made any moves on Jason and is only being a friend since they do have a strong connection going back to 1999 and shared a child.

As for the Jake "replacement" baby, why would his discovery keep JaSam together when the opposite happened for Liason? Jake was a threat that had to be removed in order for JaSam to have a baby in the first place. Besides, I miss the little adorable kid that played Jake.

As for Jolie 2.0 and baby Liam, pfft,,,John is now on GH and about to go romantic with Sam. I still think RC made a huge mistake in not making Brody the baby Daddy for Liam and Ryder, because it was soapy with a potential for stories for years to come.

Also, I want the romantic Liason story told since it was well on its way before Brian Frons tinkled all over it back in 2002, 2004 and again in 2008!

This Liason fan is not going after anyone. We all have our opinions and at the end of the day, TIIC are the ones running the show.

Liason!

Seeing "Starr and Johnny" on the list only lets me think of what a horrible thing he has done to her. This pairing would be so wrong and fans would fight it!

ICAM, jezza. As much as I'm enjoying JMB and JT's chemistry (you can tell they really respect each other), Lulu as a character in this particular s/l just does not mesh. Elizabeth should've been in those scenes, and unless they're going with a Lulu/Patrick romance, I just don't understand the point.

Liz spent a lot of time helping Patrick and Emma when Robin died, and some fans threw a hissy fit that she was after Robin's man...grrr. The same fans were ticked during Robin's PPD story because Patrick was leaning on Liz and everyone was furious that Liz was going after Robin's man...grrr. I have always liked Liz/Patrick friendship going back to when Lucky was using drugs and accusing the couple of having an affair.

Yes, Liz probably should be the shoulder for Patrick to lean on since Robin asked her to help out after Lisa messed with her medication. But, on the other hand, Lulu knows just as well what happens when you deal with an addict (Luke and Lucky) with their booze and pills. It's also refreshing to see RC mix up the characters so that their not living in a vaccum.

One last thing, Liz needs to take care of Liz, Cam and Aiden and not be the shoulder that everyone leans on and for goodness sakes, give the woman a freaking love interest and romance that does not lead to the guy being cray cray.

Johnny & Lulu fan from waaaaaay back!

sammyboy wrote:

I just can't understand the love of Elizabeth on GH!! And definitely can't understand fans wanting her and Jason together, UGHHH

I totally agree. I fail to see the interest this character, or Jason, bring. And I am certainly not interested in them as a couple.

This was actually a tough poll, because it was hard to think of any couple currently that are "meant to be". Voted for Robin & Patrick.

LOL, I see the robo voters are out in full force this morning. The only thing these polls are good for is to get hits for the website. So, good job DC. I hope it works out well for you.

I see the robovoting has started on this poll like all others. Such a shame this poll is going like this.

Definitely robo voters and its a shame to see jasam fans doing what is typically in the purview of the liason playbook especially when polls like this are irrelevant. There is no way JaSam ultimately wins a poll at liason confidential even though i think they have broader support. (i think liz and jason have deeper support)

as for jasam - sam admitted to wanting to look cute when she went over to jasons house months after jason and liz called it quits. I dont recall nor can i imagine how she would plan on falling out of the sky from the metro court running from someone she was tailing JUST when jason happened by - the logistics alone would be absurdly complicated. Unlike liz who admitted to climbing those stairs with the intent to bed even knowing jasam were only apart because of his desire to keep her safe (she didnt know that sam had taken a torch to her life with ric at that point)

I would anticipate the baby bringing them back together because they havent stopped loving one another no matter what happens with john and liz and thought jake didnt keep liz and jason together, the difference was the paternity in that case was a secret. in this case, unless jason chooses to hide it again (and i cant see sam agreeing to a ruse that involves her telling her child that his father was a rapist) everyone will know jasons the dad so why would you be with someone else when you can be with the woman you love and be a full time parent.

I thought liz at times was too flirty with patrick BUT that was at a time when robin was still "alive". Given the circumstances, I think liz should be in a quad with robin/patrick/ewan not jason/sam/john. JT brings out the best in everyone he works with and for the first time in ages i actually see chemistry in what could be a potential liz pairing (piz).

Yep I thought it was funny too...One hour ago the have four hundred and some votes and all of a sudden 300 plus Jasam fans decided to vote. LOL...Funny.

Oh EET...just read your post...No Sam did admit to chasing Jason, after they got married...You know I like Sam...I am not putting her down...Sam made a joke of what she had to do, to get him to notice her again...They had this conversation maybe on their honeymoon...I can't be sure...I don't pay much attention to Jasam moments...AND I didn't fault her for that either...She loved Jason and wanted him back...she went after what she wanted and got it...A lot of women do.

If Sam gets with John...I will be joining the SamFF and McBamFF clubs. I do love them together...and I have always liked Sam...just not with Jason.

as for jasam - sam admitted to wanting to look cute when she went over to jasons house months after jason and liz called it quits. I dont recall nor can i imagine how she would plan on falling out of the sky from the metro court running from someone she was tailing JUST when jason happened by - the logistics alone would be absurdly complicated. Unlike liz who admitted to climbing those stairs with the intent to bed even knowing jasam were only apart because of his desire to keep her safe (she didnt know that sam had taken a torch to her life with ric at that point)

I would anticipate the baby bringing them back together because they havent stopped loving one another no matter what happens with john and liz and thought jake didnt keep liz and jason together, the difference was the paternity in that case was a secret. in this case, unless jason chooses to hide it again (and i cant see sam agreeing to a ruse that involves her telling her child that his father was a rapist) everyone will know jasons the dad so why would you be with someone else when you can be with the woman you love and be a full time parent.

I thought liz at times was too flirty with patrick BUT that was at a time when robin was still "alive". Given the circumstances, I think liz should be in a quad with robin/patrick/ewan not jason/sam/john. JT brings out the best in everyone he works with and for the first time in ages i actually see chemistry in what could be a potential liz pairing (piz).

What do you mean jasam has 'broader support'? You're not actually implying they have a bigger fanbase are you? Liason got nothing then they followed it up with a dead kid. Jasam got EVERYTHING, and 1000x more airtime and the ratings plummetted. If Jasam's fanbase is so big where were they?

What do you mean Jasam has 'broader support'? You're not actually implying they have a bigger fanbase are you? Liason got nothing then they followed it up with a dead kid. Jasam got EVERYTHING, and 1000x more airtime and the ratings plummetted. If Jasam's fanbase is so big where were they?

DC is really cleaning up in this fan war. I don't see the battle translated to ratings where it would matter though.

DC is really cleaning up in this fan war. I don't see the battle translated to ratings where it would matter though.

I see robo voting begot robo voting and yeah sound and fury signifying nothing. Lisa I do think the jasam base is broader but the liason voices are more committed.

I have to totally agree with this just because I think that Kemo has a huge broad fan base.. IMHO her fanbase is one of the broadest on the show. I think it was awesome how RH's fans banned together to make sure she was rehired- however during the sweeps where Sam was blown up in the limo I saw random news coverage of it. Just articles like is she leaving and unorganized support of please don't leave Kemo. I know for myself I have watched this soap since the 80's but have never got on these message boards till last year.. That was long winded- sorry- but my point was I think the fan bases are two very different groups..

LOL! As if.

I think it's great. Why shouldn't the DC gang clean up on this opportunity? They get paid for every hit...CHA-CHING!!

Go for it Luke!

The character of Elizabeth has been my favorite since she debuted. And the character of Jason has always been my favorite male. I have waited for more than a decade to see the greatest love story still to be told given its due. I'm still holding out hope that Jake will be found alive as well.

I love the character of John McBain. I was also a OLTL fan. Kelly should run with McBam because it is the only chemistry her character has had since Greg Vaughn's Lucky. I don't know what that scene between Sam and Jason was supposed to convey today- it was totally flat and unemotional.

I think Liason is coming...I think Jake is alive... and I don't think Sam's baby is Jason's.

Liason all the way!

I love the character of John McBain. I was also a OLTL fan. Kelly should run with McBam because it is the only chemistry her character has had since Greg Vaughn's Lucky. I don't know what that scene between Sam and Jason was supposed to convey today- it was totally flat and unemotional.

I think Liason is coming...I think Jake is alive... and I don't think Sam's baby is Jason's.

Curiously you wrote Kelly should go with McBam- what does Kelly have to do with it?? It's the writers..... Also I happen to think Jasam have oodles of chem but I think she does with all of the characters. Even more so now it is showing with Todd and John.. For me Liason have a brother sister vibe. But I guess we all see what we see....

Ya know, the brother and sister vibe was born when describing Jason & Sam on GHH years ago where a lot of Liason/JaSam arguments got started. Which, curiously enough, courtesy of certain people around here who are experts in revisionist history, the debating point origins are contributed to the wrong fanbase. It cracks me up when JaSam fans use old regurgitated arguments directed at their couple & call them original. Liason fans are nothing if not creative and we have never had any problem coming up with new ways to describe the train wreck that is JaSam.

I thought Jason & Sam had awesome potential as friends and it really threw me for a loop when Jason got saddled with another woman courtesy of Sonny & his problems. That first awkward scene with those two trying to kiss was accutely painful to watch. I was embarrassed for them both.

I thought Kelly & Mo had chemistry but their story was told completely wrong creating the fan backlash that caused the demise of that almost couple and I hated when they killed their baby. I saw chemistry between Greg Vaughan & Kelly, even if THEIR story was sleazy to say the least. If the writers were doing their job they could have pulled it off better and made it work.

But seriously, hands down, Kelly & Michael Easton have off the charts chemistry. I can even ignore her annoying closed eyes/eyes rolling to the heavens/arm flailing attempts to remember her lines...which she delivers wrong half the time anyway. Somehow with him, she seems more at ease and it just works. Chemistry is hard to describe...it is or it isn't.

Even if Elizabeth & Jason never got together on this show ever again...GH needs to do itself HUGE favor and break JaSam the hell up. They are and have been one of the most tedious romantic pairings in all of GH history. There is no way, if TIIC had been doing their job AT ALL during the previous regime would they have ever lasted as long as they have. Thank goodness for Cartini...

Now if they can just put Skate out of my misery...they're the slimiest...

Actually in my opinion- which I can assure you is my own- the brother sister vibe to me has always been because they slightly look alike and cause I don't see alot of passion between them. For me I always thought it was because their families were so close maybe it was wierd. However I have read that her husband is a huge fan and is usually pimping getting them together so RH would have solid work.. But who knows what's what with all these rumors..

Again my point is I see what I see.... But I would wonder how you would know if Kemo delivers her lines wrong. If you don't like her character fine- but why attack her as a person...

I'm not attacking her as a person. AS a person I think she is extremely clever...the girl knows how to use what God gave her. The reason I know she says her lines wrong is because they don't make sense in relation to the conversation the characters are having sometimes.

I will admit, I noticed a huge improvement in her acting about a year ago. I don't know what was going on behind the scenes but she seems to be more focused than she used to be most of the time. I kind of always felt like she had one foot out the door before and not completely there.

Ya'll give Michael Saucedo a lot of credit. If he had the power to be a puppet master for Becky's career then perhaps he could have used a little bit of that mojo to get HIS old job back. Since I'm pretty sure as her husband he has Becky's best interest at heart, of course he's going to be supportive of her job. To think he wields this superhuman influence over it is probably not true.

I agree with you on one point...we do see what we see. But at this point it hardly matters. I'm excited about the show again as a whole. I'll always have my favorites but as long as the show overall is making sense...it's all good in my book.

Sweet Dreams!

Good Night Miss Doodle- I still have a glass of wine to finish but as always it is nice to agreee to disagree in a friendly manner....