Which show was the Worst Soap of the Week?
Once again Y&R for the most plot-driven show with awful storyline repeats and bad scripts. Even the characters I used to like on this show, I have a hard time watching anymore. Phyllis drives me crazy for months with her behavior, Sharon stays one of the most destroyed characters and others like Katherine, Jill, Ashley, Paul or Neil have become one-note supporting characters.
I'm over Victor doing awful things to his children and pretty much getting away with everything. In the end they forgive him or like Nick don't even try to question his behavior anymore. It's getting so old!
Don't like the most recent reunion of Phyllis and Nick either. We've been there already! There is nothing new that this pairing is giving us accept that they were once popular. But since then they got married, Phyllis obsessed with Sharon, Nick in bed with Sharon, Phyllis in bed with Jack, Phyllis obsessed with Sharon, Nick in bed with Sharon again and then they got divorced. Well and now they have to get back together because without each other they have a frustrated sex life and don't know who to play video games with or what are we supposed to believe here???
The worst thing on that show is that I have the feelings that we are in for yet another awful and lame trial. Which of course has something to do with Daisy...
Oh and of course then there are these new characters, who are all bad developed if they are at all. We have Genaura who thinks she is an intelligent business woman, but acting like a cartoonish villain from 50 years ago. Then we have Sarge, who basically has no airtime accept for screaming at Jack. Harmony, Tucker, Sofia, Ricky, Eden and Avery have no identity at all or are constantly written after plot. -.-
The only thing that keeps me going on this show is the most recent reunion of Nikki and Jack, which is ONLY thanks to Melody Thomas Scott and Peter Bergman who soled these hectic scripts!
And then there is bad boy turned saint - Adam Newman. While I don't buy that this week on his mother's farm changed him so drastically, Michael Muhney is selling it and even make me like newbie Chelsea a lot more than I did in the beginning. Yet the story seems so predictable.
GH gets my vote this week.
i thought Ron & Frank were supposed to SAVE gh, it feels like Guza all over again.
Sonny, Jason, the mob wars are still #1 with just only a sprinkle of Anna & others for a few scenes.
and WTF was that mirror scene?!?! HOLY HELL.
I agree...I voted for GH
Having watched Y and R for over 30 years, I have to say that last Friday's show was the biggest bunch of crap I have ever seen on what was at one time a great show. How sad to see Bill Bell's show, run so far downhill and getting worse on a weekly basis. No wonder it is consistently
considered the worse show of the week and will continue to be under HACKARENA BELL.
Soapwatching has not been fun for quite a while now. I thank God that they're not my main source of TV entertainment, or else I'd be in deep depression right now.
"Y & R" sucked the fattie this week, no doubt about it - more heavy-handed plot-driven offal being smeared onto our TV screens daily by Maria Arena Bell and her team of co-hacks. This show is all over the place it is NOT even funny!!
The current story lines that are not working:
1) Anything involving Genevieve. Sorry Genie Francis, but you are really bringing the show to a crashing halt every day that you are on! Your initial story line entering GC bombed, and your current story with TGVN is just creepy unto itself. You are a poor woman's Cruella de Vil!
2) Phyllis/Daniel/Daisy/Lucy/Ricky - the only thing this story line seems to be saying is that is OK to use young toddlers as weapons and to Hell with whom gets hurt. Everyone is using Daisy's demon spawn to screw the other and it is being continuously written in circles (no surprise there from the MAB writing team!). Just ludricrous!
3) Neil/Harmony/Sofia - so does anyone else notice the comnplete lack of chemistry between any of these characters? Julia Pace Mitchell is just not an actress, Debbi Morgan's Yolanda/Harmony is all over the place with this reformed addict come loving mother to Devon (another snooze of a character) and poor Kristoff St. John just looks like he's lucky to be there for another 13 weeks. C'mon - we ALL knew matching Morgan's Harmony was going to interact with the newest lame duck character, Darnell William's 'Sarge'!!!
4) The SORAS'ing of Kyle Abbott - I have been saying this since it was announced: THIS WILL SUCK BIG TIME!!
Why you ask? BECAUSE MARIA ARENA BELL AND HER CO-HACKS FEEL IT IS NECESSARY TO MESS WITH THE TIMELINES/HISTORIES/BACKSTORIES OF ALL 'Y & R' CHARACTERS! Case in point: the return of Thom Bierdz as Phillip Chancellor III was a bust because the storyline was too plot-driven to get the viewers involved in what could have been a brilliant heartfelt story.
Having Ronan Malloy turning out to be the child Nina Webster (the MIA and brilliant Tricia Cast) had stolen from her by Rose DeVille in the 1980s was another chance to mine a great story that would appeal to "Y & R" viewers faithful to the story. Instead, we got a snarky, surly detective who went after corrupt cops in GC and was also involved in the BEYOND HORRID "Who Killed Diane Jenkins" storyline. Nobody cared that Ronan left town soon afterwards because the character MAB and her denizen created was not likable, so nobody became emotionally involved.
That is the main problem with Maria Arena Bell's tenure as " Y & R" 's head writer: She and her co-hacks Hogan Sheffer and Scott "My name is NOT Earl" Hamner are incapable of creating characters viewers can get attached to - they only want to create characters to drive the muddied plot-driven stories they want to tell and bore the audience.
I'm waiting for her to crow about the recent ratings release - then bitch about when the show drops under 4M again.
On target Bartman.
1) Genevieve is a mess. ONE LAST CHANCE as Stephen Nichols girlfriend. Supposedly, these 2 were the ultimate on General Hospital, and she is Laura Spencer, so let's give one last chance. If it doesn't work with Tucker, kill the character off. 'Who shot Genevieve Atkinson?' hopefully is next
2) How many custody hearings do we have to have involving males in their late 20s who were raped? (Billy and Daniel) Won't come up once at the Lucy's Hearing, I'll bet. Chelsea's story has been re-written so that now it was consensual. So why did Victor have to keep Billy hostage last Fall? Male rape is a serious thing, MAB, don't trivialize it.
3) Harmony is a mess. Glad you agree with me that Devon is boring. How could he not be, we've never seen his love life.
4) Return of Phillip Chancellor. Ruined a perfectly good 5-year plot-line of Cane being Jill's son, and Jill belonging to Katherine. I am straight, but I think that maybe gay men should be somewhat upset about the fact that Phil faked his death cause he felt 'he was gay and would be discriminated against'. Seems a bit of stretch.
Agree with everything else you wrote. Honestly, if all that MAB cares about is ratings, why not just have Cane and Lily on every day, making googly-eyes at one another for an hour?
@Hay Mon: The ratings dropped during Lily and Cains Wedding. And on their wedding day episode Y&R lost a whole point. So having them on is not going to boost the ratings, it will do the exact opposite. And i'm happy that those two non-acting mofo's don't do well in the ratings, now get rid of Cane and recast Lily with a Dynamic Sistah who has got that "it" favor to her.
^^ Lily was recast with a Dynamic Sistah and her name was Davetta Sherwood!!! She had the spark Victoria Rowell had and was a fine actress.
Oh, I really liked Davetta Sherwood in that role! I saw a few clips of her from Y&R on YT and she and Michael Graziadei had genuine onscreen chemistry. I heard (don't know if this is true) that things were a bit rocky between them behind the scenes but in her interviews she never had one bad thing to see about anyone at Y&R. And she had extremely high praise for Victoria Rowell (it seems they have kept in touch). To me, she took the Lily character to a mature young woman for the first time.
Davetta Sherwood's version of Lily was so believable as Drucilla's daughter. Her acting in the role gave the character of Lily so much. She really let Lily mature and she was present in her scenes. With Christel Khalil I don't care if she's on or not. I never found her that impressive. Not in the beginning, not with Daniel, not in her cancer storyline and not even when Lily supposedly lost her supposedly great love Cane. -.-
It would not let me vote but I chose Y&R for cramming Genie Francis down our throats on a daily basis and for TPTB's futile attempts to make Genevieve seem relevant and important.
They are KILLING this show.
Y&R's problems have plagued the show for some time. The show reminds me of ATWT, about five years before it crashed. I believe the same writer is now at Y&R. Gee, I see a pattern here.
I voted GH, due to Connie. The only buzz this show gets is based on comic relief mental illness, with an actress who would not pass muster on The Mullets.
I vote GH due to the ridiculous Connie cake stuff, and Johnny trashing his apartment. I am sick of Starr and her perpetual grunty face. Lulu is now Natalie from OLTL...useless girl turned private eye/CSI. Suddenly she is Nancy Drew now, and solves the mystery in one day. I like that she is being written more maturely, but they have nothing to do with her, so they threw her in the precinct like Natalie OLTL.
Sick of Janet...ER HEATHER and her over the top craziness. Steve is being written so clueless. Just the whole fact that Heather is out of Shadybrook is ridiculous. This plot doesn't make sense.
Matt and Spinelli are excruciating to watch, Both have horrible speech patterns and awful dialogue that makes getting through scenes torture. I don't buy them as buddies, and making them some comedic duo is just dumb.
The only thing that has been somewhat impactful is Patrick and Robin's death, but we hardly see any of these characters because of GH's airhogs (Sonny,Kate,Jason,Sam,McBain,Carly,Johnny). Where's Mac? He was getting a little airtime but then I guess ABC didn't like his new haircut so they forced Ron to backburn him again to watch Liz's kids...hey, WHERE'S ELIZABETH?!
The show is really kind of a mess right now. It's a cartoon. Part comedy, part camp, a tiny bit of drama, cliched writing and lines/phrases.
I gave up on Y&R months ago, lol! I can't even say anything bad about it anymore because I simply don't even care.
@Everyone: Davetta really did bring the "heat to the street" in the role as Lily. There was depth. There was personality. There was spunk. We currently still have to deal with milk-toast on screen.
I'd be calling Davetta to come back and have CK leave the same way she was brought back. Have them say Davetta's name over the intercolm on a Friday. and then pull a Paul R. and have an assistant tell her in the parking lot that "she just worked her last day."
Like they would EVER treat CK that way. They have it in their heads that she is the princess of Y&R. Unfortunately for us, she's not going anywhere.
@david46208 The ratings were very good at Cane and Lily's wedding, they had more than 4,7 mio viewrs; now that Adam, Genevieve and Victor are on daily the show has under 4 mio lol! Don't forget that Cane and Lily didn't get screentime before or after the wedding! And the show on Valentine's day was more about Victor and the kid's birthday! If Cane and Lily were on on a daily basis this show would have more than 7 mio viewers and TPTB wouldn't have to worry about bad ratings anymore, but well as we can see they want to continue their loosing streak.
GH would be the worst soap on its misogyny alone. Add to its "women as sperm receptacles" view of the world some really bad five days per week exploration of DID and GH is as bad as its ever been. (YES I said it. This is right up there with Wolf's HIV syringe and Who killed Lisa Niles).
Why it's just as bad as Wolf is that this regime seems to want to string out the worst of Wolf. Does anyone care who killed Lisa? Is there a reason to drag out Wolf's maybe rape of Sam? Instead of distancing itself from what I think most would agree is the worst of GH, this regime has embraced it. We get Sonny and Johnny sharing not just Carly but also possibly NuKate---who presumably will be raped by romantic lead Johnny while NuKate believes herself to be Connie. (Note to writers: DID and mirror hallucinations are NOT the same thing. Twenty seconds of research would have saved your viewers from that awful nonsense). But what's wrong with a man using a mentally ill woman to screw his enemy? Perhaps it could be a good story if NuKate weren't the only woman on the show being used for her orifices, if she were the only woman on the show who only existed because of her love of mobster penis.
If any minority group were treated the way GH treats women, there would be a boycott outside of its studios. It's despicable and what makes it even worse is the continued praise this regime gets for doing it. Raped and impregnated by one killer while married to another. Raped in the midst of a DID "episode". Shuffled from a mobster killer ex-husband to another killer mobster. Women breaking down and falling apart on every episode. Formerly powerful female characters like Tracy at the mercy of serial woman strangler Anthony. But with so many examples of misogyny on full display, who's writing about it? Who calling this regime the misogynists they are?
And what do viewers get when we aren't slapped with sexism? The good old soap cliche. Long lost twins. Faux deaths in explosions. Who's the baby daddy drama.
And to top all of that off, we get to keep Guza's vision for GH. The holy trinity is on full and regal display. It's the Sonny show for sure. But this time around, they've made Sonny so stupid that this long time non-Sonny fan almost feels sorry for him. Seriously, a character who has presumably spent his fair amount of time in and around psychiatrists and doctors couldn't see that NuKate was going off the wall? And just as with Guza, every one's pain is really Jason's pain. He's crushed that his enemy twin brother raped his wife. So crushed that he makes it all about him. And when not doing that, he must work to save the love of his life Sonny from prosecution and from DID infected (apparently she caught it like we might catch the flu) NuKate. Meanwhile BFF Carly just can't be kept in line as she decides which mobster will get to use her orifices next. Those who loved Guza shouldn't be dismayed by this GH. It's all just so dreadfully the same.
Even though I wanted so badly to immerse myself in the return of Heather ( I confess to full blown soap love for her), the story is so stupid that my love of Heather gets washed away by the idiotic storytelling. But at least she's one woman on GH who's taking charge of her destiny. At least she's anything but passive. But this regime is using her pretty much like Guza did, and that's a shame because we long time viewers know how wonderful it was to hate Heather Webber's tricks, scams and lies. Other than FH's Anna, Heather may be the only reason to tune into GH these days.
So yes, GH for the worst soap of the week. It's possibly as bad as its ever been. And anyone who watched GH for the past year knows that is saying a lot. I'm never convinced that ratings and quality go hand in hand but it's no wonder to this fan that GH is dead last. More mob wars anyone?
I voted for Y&R as worst soap, although GH isn't far behind. As long as Hamner and Sheffer are writing Y&R, the soap will continue to stink!!
As far as GH goes, Frank Valentini and Ron Carlivati didn't get the memo that fans want less mob, less violence, and less Sonny/Jason/Carly/Sam!!!! Are they trying to get GH cancelled?! Because GH is almost as bad as it was under Guza and Wolf. The only thing keeping me from tuning out of GH altogether is Finola Hughes. She should be front and center, not Sonny and the characters I mentioned before!
I disagree,I love Gen and Genie Francis portrayal of her. She had great chemistry with Jack but the writers decided to ruin that by not letting him forgive her,so she made a mistake(being married to Colin could cause anyone to have trust issues)she would of forgiven him(I don't believe he ever really loved her he so self righteous(he forgives Niki everytime she runs back to Victor)such double standards here. She'd make a great business partner for Victor(she actually respects him) and sorta cares for the idiot but he'll trash her as well. Colin is the one who treated her like a doormat and even her son Ethan has been very difficult(everyone forgives his sins) but poor Gen is always given the shive. I love her and Tucker,he actually does seem to still care for her and they're scenes are fun to watch - maybe if she lets her guard down(after what Jack just did to her) she can find true love with him. Ash is boring and Tucker and Gen love money,power and make a pretty hot pair. Hope the writers are listening to the positive here. The actors don't write the scripts so don't blame them for bad writing!!!
^^^^ Give me a BREAK! Genievieve is no "victim" to "ETHAN." She orchestrated the whole PLOT to have him fake his death in an attempt to destroy Colin. Or were you not watching the show when she first came on?
And as "business partner" to Victor she is laughable. She was a cattle rustlers wife in the outback 20 years. Where would she learn about corporate dealings?
This character is a JOKE, the actress is DREADFUL, and she needs to go.
Tell it Coffee_Junkie. Cringe is the word to describe Genevieve Atkinson.
Preach it Coffee Junkie! Time for a pink slip! I voted Y&R. It was dreadful that week.
This show has moved way beyond, Pitiful. How sad and it just seems to get worse.
Just cannot understand why they want to make some of these kids so much older and not change all of them. We have way too many nothing characters now and lots of the regulars that get no screen time. How long since Paul Williams has been on?
That show that non talented Ricky and no Paul.