Rebecca Herbst STAYING With General Hospital?!

Great news!! So happy for Becky!

Marezi - Couldn't have said it better, so I'm not going to try

Saher - I see your point, but obviously, there are certain storylines I would keep Liz out of. The character has enough unresolved history that if we just get some closure in that way, I think it would do wonders for the character, and then free her up to pursue new things on the show.

My fear is that some people will view this as Jiz or bust, and if they don't get that they'll be upset, or if they see Liz look crosseyed at someone its outside of character, and at that point, we've begun down the slippery slope.

I respect your POV, jmoney, but this show, from my POV, would be much more interesting if they utilize that history for some good story-lines for Liz on this show. Most Jiz fans that I've seen are just happy that Becky is staying and with the possibility of a storyline of her own, with other LizFF's too, along with fans of her other pairings, as we all collaborated together to have Becky be kept on this show. I am just happy that Becky is staying and this is really good news for all of us.

Very well said!!

Congrats to Rebecca Herbst and all her fans. You never know if they give Liz an actual storyline I may have to take up watching GH again permanatly.

To be clear I never said one had to be good and one had to be bad. What I am saying, and thought I said as plainly as I could before, is that I thought it would be interesting - IF they kill off jake - to take Liz even darker and let her own it for a change. I got resistance from people saying how poorly she has been written, that she IS the good girl (as if thats a fact) and in essence the attitude of a number of people is that she has to be written as "good" and that anything short of that is somehow an affront to the ACTRESS and to HER FANS.

Whats baffling is that there also is this counter opinion - the one that jamey has long espoused - that if they keep kelly they should make her love to hate because THEY dont buy her as the good girl and that we sam fans should somehow be HAPPY if they write her like that. Jamey - may I point out that if you want Sam to be written as a young scheming Rachel Cory, the fact that they LATER redeemed her and she became uber popular after the redemption is irrelevant because thats not the version of the character you are suggesting. Even Victoria said that the early version of the character had NO redeeming qualities. So why would you tamper with a character that is ALREADY uber popular and has ALREADY been redeemed for her bad acts by the love of a good man and regress her?

The merits of Jameys suggestion aside, what I asked is why should Sam fans be expected to be happy if she is suddenly written as a love to hate villian ala 07 but Liz fans should be pissed that she was written as cheating on lucky with his brother. You all seriously dont think that is inconsistant? I cant speak for all sam fans but most of us hated the assasination that happened in 07. The difference between Liz and Sam too is that Liz would have cause - the death of her son causing her to be bad -and then they would redeem her. Sam has everything now - why would she suddenly become love to hate? Personally I want to see her either kidnap Joss (if its a bj redo) or pulling a page from the panic room story, have her go after Sam to try and cut the child out of her or steal it on delivery. I would love to see RH and KeMo burning the house down on a scene like that - liz saying that Sam cant have jasons child if she cant and admitting she NEVER forgave sam for watching Jake getting kidnapped and sam with a knife to her throat and a belly that looks like a basketball begging for liz not to hurt her baby, trying to make some kind of bargain with the devil. That right there would be two emmy reels. But of course Liz couldnt be written like that because she has to be the "good girl"

Gosh...can't we just be happy for Becky and leave it at that. Yesterday she was unemployed and today she is employed.

I was finished with GH and now I am back so for what its worth ABC just knowing Becky is back on is making me tune in again.

While I will cross my fingers for a storyline for her that is atleast marginally interesting, I won't hold my breath.

EET - I see your point. I guess the problem is that our perspectives of what is in character for Sam and Liz are just absolute polar opposites. It's funny how people can watch the same show and see completely different things. Human nature, I guess.

I am all for Liz getting a meaty dark story (but not Jake's death)...I just don't think that she would or could be evil. This is the character who turned her rapist into the police instead of shooting him dead. I could see her dealing with a child's illness, or maybe her own illness. I can't see her chasing after men she does not really love (Nik, Lucky) or endangering a baby (the rumors about lying about Sam's pregnancy).

Kazy - great post!

EET,,,If Liz was THAT evil, don't you think she would have not tried to help Sam escape out of the trunk of Diego's car? Heck, she could have simply not said one word about Sam being in the trunk when Jason pulled her out of the car and let it go over the edge of the bridge. You don't like Liz and that is not going to change now that RH has been re-hired. Liz may be snarky at times, and she smacked Zander in the head with a pipe, but trying to hurt a pregnant woman? No. Not in a million years. Faith caused Liz to lose her first child and Carly jumping in front of Jax's car was the reason that Liz had her second miscarriage. Liz was sympathetic when Claudia lost her baby. To be honest, Liz is more liable to help someone even if she can't stand them than to simply walk away.

Faith was evil. My suggestion was just that if they do write Jake out, that Liz could go dark. If there was ever a thing that would make someone snap I would have to imagine that it would be the death of their child, esp. when she JUST had a break down just last year. Theres a big difference between dark and evil - dark is a state of mind, evil is more a state of being. I dont see Liz as someone who would off their grandmother let alone for some personal gain the way Faith did. For me, sam is like blair on OLTL. Direct, physical, someone who came from a horrible childhood, the caregiver who wants to protect everyone from pain even if it brings pain to themselves. They are the tragic heroines. For me, Liz is more like Jessica, someone who is capable of doing really bad things when pushed to the brink emotionally and someone who is seen by those who interact with her as fragile and in need of protecting - and just like Jess always kind of throwing herself into the next relationship with the next protector. Brenda is the Kelly Cramer or she was in her last incarnation - spunky and silly and always dreaming of the great big love thats going to change her and her life. Carly is like tea, very verbal, not afraid to throw down but not so direct about it, someone that wants to be one step ahead. Maxie is what Gigi would be if FF could act. Matt is what Rex would be if JPL could act.

Again Diol, I would be happier for BECKY, even though I dont like LIZ, if I wasnt worried that the salary dollars they thought they were saving cost us bba, NLG or JE, and I would be happier for the Liz fans on saving their favorite if some of them werent trashing kelly, trashing sam or gloating that their big WIN was only the first step in their campaign to change the show to THEIR liking, starting with things like liason, liz becoming the centerpiece of the show, and turning sam into some character with few redeeming qualities. I am already stuck with Carly ignoring her kids and instead focusing on getting payback on brenda and dante, no monica, no alan, no story for alexis, lulu being an airhead, no laura, little tracy, johnny tied up inexplicably with lisa - you add in liason and sam as the bad guy and thats not a show I want to watch. For the record, I NEVER said I wanted becky fired, I thought that was a dumb move, but the way this went down makes me concerned for whats next because while every viewer counts, I am not going to buy 50 copies of SID to vote in a poll and I am not going to write a bunch of letters and call a bunch of times to make sure my one lone voice sounds like a roar. Does that mean my 30 years of viewing doesnt matter?

I am all for Liz getting a meaty dark story (but not Jake's death)...I just don't think that she would or could be evil. This is the character who turned her rapist into the police instead of shooting him dead. I could see her dealing with a child's illness, or maybe her own illness. I can't see her chasing after men she does not really love (Nik, Lucky) or endangering a baby (the rumors about lying about Sam's pregnancy).

Kazy - great post!
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js- Thank you! As for your post, I agree completely! I think it would be crazy to turn Liz into the type of woman who would willingly endanger another child's life. Every character has the light and dark side, but being a part of harming/causing the death of a child isn't dark- it's pitch black and twisted. I just can't see Liz doing that and I certainly hope the writers realize how OOC that would be for her character, even if she did lose Jake (and she better not! there is no need to kill any of the children!)

EET - If GH goes that way I'll be joining you in watching something else during that hour. And I've been watching for 37 years!!

Very well said, and you both make some very good points. Liz is the one who saved Jason's life when he was bleeding in that snow, and the one who was bleeding in that church, after Sam was in trouble. She is the one who saved her infant son's life, from that fire. She is the one who saved a pregnant Skye's life, by going after Manny herself, and endangering her own in the process. She is the one who helped in Sam being saved from Manny, when she retraced through the steps of when Manny had kidnapped her, which reminded her of her rape, so that Sam could be helped. She is the one who risked getting banned from nursing, so that Sam could have the surgery that saved her life. She is the one who didn't turn Courtney in, after her blindness was caused by her hit-and-run. I have many more examples on my side, and they have all shown me as Liz being very compassionate and courageous. Now that Becky has been rehired, I hope the trashing of her character stops, and there is a good storyline for Liz. I would like to see Liz have her rape revisited again, as I mentioned before, or help Michael, as I know, it would be an amazing storyline, if tptb gave it a shot. I really hope they do consider that.

Now back to the other remaining things, I am just going to echo my comments to jmoney for that.

Jamey,

"Rebecca" is misspelled in the title of this link. It says "Rebecce" Herbst.......

All I have to say is if they continue to write Liz like they have these past few years, they are doing a disservice to not only the viewers, but the show as well as RH.
And I will be one of the first to complain about it.

EET touched on the point I was making. A character's actions must have cause. If they do, then when the character has a chance to be redeemed it is more likely to occur. Doing "bad" things just to do them because you like creating havoc is more evil.

So IF Jake dies, then Liz went crazy and did some wild things, we would feel for her, and eventually when things settled, reasonable behavior would be more acceptable.

Having her go nuts over Jake's death would make sense. When she was raped, she had a support system in Lucky who was a major reason she pulled through the way she did. Not saying she didn't do her part obviously, but Lucky's love and her love for him played a MAJOR ROLE in her recovery. Lucky is with Siobhan now, Jason is with Sam, and completely dedicated, and they may have a child...Nik has a thing with Brooklyn...

So Jake's death causes Liz to spiral and with less of a support system then she's ever had, she's either going to pull herself out of it independently (a process) find someone to help her through it (Lucky, Jason or Unknown person X). At least with option A, she can make some waves befor recovering that wouldn't alienate half of the remaining fan base.

Look at Monica Q. How many times did she try to kill Alan? How many times did she cheat on him? Countless. Even with Ned. The character and actress still had fans, and eventually was redeemed. Would anyone argue that Monica was ever written out of character?

the problem wouldn't be Liz's reaction to Jake's death. How does one respond to the death of a child? there is no more horrible fate so there is no rule book or "typical" response. the problem is that killing off Jake could be viewed as one more instance of proping Jasam. would that be the intent, who knows? could it be viewed that way? sure. does this show need the death of another child? does this show need the death of another Quartermaine?

could there be drama mined from tragedy in general and this one in specific? the death of Jake could mean the reveal that he was Jason's son which could mean story for all of the Qs and that includes Jason. there would be story for Lucky who loved Jake as much as he would a bio child, he loves Cam after all, and the Spencers could rally around Lucky and that includes Bobbie, since Dante has to be in every story, he could be there for both Lucky and Lulu, Patrick and Robin could help with the kids as could Steven and new love Olivia who begins to regret that in devoting her life to Dante she never had anymore kids....the storyline potential is endless and an umbrella story which could include much of the cast

that said, GH seems to be in flux so listening to rumors can be fun if they are indicating upcoming story which features your favorites favorably but not so much when your favorites seem to exist under a bus

I have read over and over how TPTB do not care about how on line viewers see the show, they pay more attention to off liners. I am not saying they dont' care but they put more stock into off liners view point then people on line that talk a story to death with rumors and spoilers changing how they percieve what is on day to day. So that being said we need to see this story as it is involving on the show. Not go by rumors and spoilers. As most offliners don't know about these. When i was spoiler free, and not on the net, I never knew what was coming down the road, I used my head and thought how it could play out but I never knew until I got on line.

How are JaSam being propped if the average off line viewer is seeing Jason and Sam starting to talk about babies?

They should have seen Jason and Sam talking about the danger for said child and they should see how Jason can go from giving up his son because of the danger OR to either agreeing to have procedure with Sam, OR he needs to say straight out again he can't put a child in this life style.

They should have seen that Jason has told Sam to do what she wants. This is about Sam and her feelings and what she wants, Jason admitted he did what he did giving Jake up because he wanted to do that.

So if they are talking about procedures and babies why would the off liners even think this was all about Liz or all about making Jason look good or Jake is getting hit by a car or they are writing Liz real bad, this is the OOC Liz, Sam and Jason, Because if Liz is OOC then wouldn't Sam and Jason also be OOC?

I am just saying that off line people don't know everything we know as far as rumors and spoilers. Hell they may be sitting at home wondering what is going on and who is going to do what next to whom but they don't KNOW what is to be played 1 month to 3 months down the road like most on liners do.

Most off liners that I know just go from week to week. They usually don't want to hear anything I might want to warn them about. LOL. They say they will watch it and form thier own opinions. They are warning me that they don't need my thoughts on what they think is going to happen.and ***that makes me sad as I love to talk****.

now that I have lost my train of thought I will go see if I can recapture whatever the heck it was.

I don't care how many people speculate that they may kill Jake. I for one do not believe it for a minute....and if they do...it will be a huge mistake on their part. If they kill off Jake to give Jason a reason to want another child, or accept another child...the fans would never forgive him. The Liason/Jasam war would never end...and they would lose many viewers over it.

The only way Liason fans would accept a Jasam baby, is if the Liason child still existed, for one.... and if Elizabeth told Jason that he should have a child with Sam, if that is what he wants. That way the fans of Liason can't be mad, if the mother of the child he never recognized...gave her blessings so to speak.

For TPTB not to realize this would be amazing. They would be creating a major headache for themselves, and horrendous negative feedback. The Jason/Jake possible future story lines are way too good to pass up. Even the Jake/Emma/Josslyn possible story lines. Couldn't you see Carly and Robin's daughter fighting over Jason's son LOL...

If they have to kill off one of Elizabeth's kids for a story line, the kid to kill is Cameron. He has no other ties to the canvas, and most people love him because he is so adorable. Fans would truly grieve over him. Aiden is Lucky's child and as a result also has many future story line possibilites. So personally I see Jake and Aiden as untouchable...and Cameron as expendable...if you have to kill a kid that is.

777 - I'm a little confused. Are you actually saying Jason needs Liz's permission to have a child with Sam? What? What gives Liz the right to determine whether a grown man, she's not even with anymore can have a child with the woman he is with?

If you're going to site Jason giving up Jake, that's a stretch. Circumstances change, his relationship with Sam is entirely different then his relationship with Sam.

I mean did Jason say a peep to Liz when she was having sex with Nik, the brother of Jake's father. Jason had his concerns, knowing that this could crush the man he had entrusted to be a father figure to his son, but he kept his nose out of it for the most part.

Additionally it is not as if Jason does not provide for Jake financially, the kid has a trust, and Jason paid for her house, if memory serves...

Doesn't make much sense to me...

But Jason, in my opinion, looks like he is starting to want a baby now. That is what I am seeing on my TV. They have been talking for two weeks now. He is letting Sam decide if she wants to do the procedure or have a baby. He isn't deciding anything for her.

Why in the world would Liz have to give permission to Jason to have a baby?
They are no longer together. It is not like they are married and Liz gets to decide what Jason can and can not do. Liz knows Jason and Sam are together. She knows Sam went in for a pregnancy test nothing is being hidden from her.

Liz has no business deciding if Jason has a baby with the woman he says he loves Or a woman on the street. Did Liz take it upon herself to inform Jason that she was adding an addition to the family when she got knocked up again? Did Liz consult Jason about anything to do with Jake at any time after they separated?

If Liz thinks no one can have a baby with Jason other then Liz then she should have had him get a vasectomy during that time she was telling him to jump and how high.

Does any ex-wife, ex-girlfriend, ex-husband, ex-boyfriend or THEIR FAMILY and friends ever consult the ex about having more children or what they are doing with thier life if they no longer belong in the ex's life?

It is a little unreal for the Liason fans to, how did GHFan777 say it "The only way Liason fans would accept a Jasam baby, is if the Liason child still existed, for one.... and if Elizabeth told Jason that he should have a child with Sam, if that is what he wants.". Sorry but Liason fans are not his family or his ex girlfriend to tell Jason what he can and can not do.

My goodness...in what world does any of this come across as normal? Would anyone expect their EX girlfriend, boyfriend, wife or husband to do this?? Am I that far out of sync with todays world that I believe once you have moved on that there is no more decisions being made about family, babies or what to wear to Sunday dinner that you can make about your ex's life.

GHFan777 this is not an attack. Just responding to your post and conversing with you. I do not ever mean to attack people and if it comes across that way, I am sorry. If we were sitting across the table from each other I would be asking these questions and you would be asking your questions and we would be talking. Please accept that is how I am thinking as I am typing this as someone in my home chatting and discussing a show we watch.

TPTB went to great lengths from 2007 to today to emphasize that Jason Morgan can NOT be domesticated. That means, No marriage and No children!

JaSam is suppose to be the adventure couple and Liason is the romantic/family couple. So, why would JaSam want a baby for their couple when TPTB spent the last four years beating everyone over the head that Jason is way too dangerous for Liz and Cake?

If Jason decides he wants to have a child with Sam after Liz told him in 2008 on three different occassions to claim his son, then Jason will look like the biggest douche on the planet. All I've seen on several message boards is that the REAL Jason Morgan would never go back to a woman that hurt a child, any child, especially his own.

If Sam wants to have a child there is no reason on earth that she simply can't go to a sperm bank the way that Robin planned back in 2007. She can remove herself from Jason's life and the danger that was beaten over the Liason heads since 2007 is no longer an issue.

One last thing, if RH (story dictated) firing was solely for the reason of killing Liz/Jake in order to move ahead with a JaSam baby then shame on TPTB who tried to take away RH's livelihood in order for a fictional soap couple to have a baby.

j for a smart guy, that is kind of a obtuse question on your part. liason4real pretty much summed it up nicely, but I will add a bit more.

No of course Jason can make life decisions, without Elizabeth giving him her two cents...but you are conveniently forgetting that Jason broke them up only because of the danger to Jake. They had plans to be together, and were in love. Jason broke it off saying he could not endanger them, after Jake was kidnapped and almost blown up. He gave up his only biological child, not because he didn't want him...but he thought it was best for him, because his life was too dangerous. For Jason to turn around two years and two months later and gleefully make a baby with another, really negates him, and makes him appear to be a hypocrite. He gives "Deadbeat Dad" a new name. It is not about the money either. Sure he gave her money....but if you grew up thinking your father bought his way out of your life because you didn't fit in...and then found out he made another baby on purpose two years later...How would you feel? This is why a Jasam baby will only work if a Liason baby still exists, and Elizabeth doesn't seem to be upset by it. If you kill the Liason child to make way for a Jasam baby...there will be a out and out war between the fanbases, and the Jasam baby will be totally resented.

So if Elizabeth gives him her blessings, the Liason fanbase will not be able to complain as much, and the Jasam baby won't be hated. Now do you get what I mean?

Sorry Marezi, I read J's post and responded then I saw yours and your questions. No I don't think any ex has a right to say what anyone does in their life....especially having children or getting married etc...I was speaking in a hypothetical sense, in how I thought the fanbases would respond if they killed off Jake, to make way for a Jasam baby. I feel that if they wrote it that way...with Elizabeth telling Jason...if you really want a baby with Sam...go for it...don't let the past scare you...that way the Liason fanbase would not have much to complain about...referring back to the break up that is...IF they killed Jake thinking if they took the son he never acknowledged out of the mix...thinking the fans would accept him being a father better...they would be wrong is all. There would be a lot of anger and fighting between the fanbases and this war would never end.

But no....ex's don't have a right to call the shots, that is just silly...and that is not what I meant.

Elizabeth already told Jason he would make a great father when he came to her in the hospital to ask..years ago and told him to go for it it was around the time she was pregnant with Jake around '06.

777-I don't think we the viewers have much to say when it comes to Jake dieing. Breaks my heart when I saw him interplay with Jason last month at the hospital.
I am sure it is no longer a rumor but a fact he is done. (Jake) The scene has been shot, however, they did the scene with Liz leaving the show, IMO they could & should rewrite the storyline.But will they??
I agree with it should be Cam if they had to have a child die, but Jake it is.
As far as Liason/Jasam I don't get into all that. Not a fan of either women. However, the writers are going to keep JaSam together. They were willing to fire Liz so they have no plans to break up Sam & Jason. It is what it is. Personally I don't think Jason ever loved Liz. Again, IMO.

Marezi...the facts are this. Liz is no longer a part of Jason. If she was they would not have fired the character to begin with. There is no Liason.
IMO there never was. I am NOT a fan of either women, but you would have to be blind not to see the love Jason has for Sam.

As far as Liason fans go, they got there wish. Liz is staying. That will have to be enough for them.

Well Jaq you are entitled to your opinion. I personally feel opposite, so I will leave it at that. As for it being a done deal, then the show has made a huge mistake, and I for one will actively campaign against a Jasam baby. As for Liz fans sucking it up and being happy that they kept her, and to just give up on Liason...that too is also your opinion...and a bit heavy handed and not very nice.

777-I never intended to hurt your feelings. Since I did I apologize.
I don't understsand what I said that was so upsetting??
Is it that Jason & Sam are a couple now and he has never loved like he loves Sam?? I am stating a fact. I personally want Jason for myself. lol

If your planning on protesting for a Liason reunion, I would get my paper and pencil out now. If it were going to be, or that is the direction TPTB wanted it to go, Liz would never have been let go to begin with.

Can we agree that we both do not want Jake to die?? With Liz staying, why kill a child?? Also reading your post, let's try to remember this is a show, with a storyline, all fictional.

Again I apologize for stating what I said. However it wasn't aimed at you, I was stating the facts as I see them.

I am sure it is no longer a rumor but a fact he is done. (Jake) The scene has been shot, however, they did the scene with Liz leaving the show, IMO they could & should rewrite the storyline.But will they??
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There were rumors/spumors that Liason actually got married in July 2008 and Frons pulled the scenes. If there are scenes of Jake dying then GH can simply pull the scenes.

I am not advocating killing any child, but why Jake? Why not Cam or Aiden? How about Josselyn? Seriously, it's totally ridiculous why GH has to constantly place a child in danger.