I originally wondered if she was the Balkan herself. I'm not surprised that she's connected to him.

This isn't a surprise to many viewers I post with when I was watching GH many posters speculated who the Balkan could be because of his long awaited arrival

it came up that it is Suzanne (like Chaka) or Aleksander' mother not long after Suzanne aired and all that Balkan stuff started around August 2010. Last year they were still saying she had a connection and was is wife so for many its old news.

Seriously, was anyone really surprised today?? If so, let me know.
I guess I am just "numb" from this show right now, and its hard to get a reaction out of me for anything.

This really isn't a surprise for me. I was surprised to find out she wasn't the Balkan herself.

Who cares? I think the Brenda stuff is overdone. I didn't watch the show when she was on before so I am mystified by all this Brenda adoration by TPTB.

I admit, I was a little surprised. I figured Suzanne is lying about the baby and that it is alive somewhere. What I don't understand is why she's waited THREE YEARS to exact her revenge? If it was about getting Brenda to PC, surely she could've done that before now? If it was about hurting or killing her, surely she's had plenty of opportunity? Why was she so insistent on Brenda marrying Murphy if getting Brenda to PC and marrying Sonny was the endgame? I think they made Suzanne the Balkan's Wife after the fact, unless someone can explain all this to me.

anyone that has kept up with my GH post know that I always predicted Suzzanne would be the Balkans wife and or the Balkan. Hopefully with this reveal the storyline will be over by the end of sweeps. Now only if I can make it through all the boring GH filler to Monday, The wedding starts Friday so we proabably won't get any real action till next week despite the commercials.

Most everyone on this site predicted Suzanne would be Balkin's wife or exwife.

I was tossing around in my head why Mrs Balkan didn't just give Brenda up right away, and why he would need Siobhan to provide information?

Just my opinion here, but I found the dialogue in that last scene between the spouses telling. I'm not sure they trust each other, because of all the time apart. The Balkan hasn't been around his wife. Maybe he fears her objectivity or focus toward the goal has been compromised, hence the need for a secondary source to confirm all the information coming from her? There's more to work out about this relationship based on that conversation.

Who Cares!!!!
This whole crapfest is going on since Brenda made her return August 11, 2010. Its frigging six months and we are still talking about this shit!! This is why soaps are dying. This whole Brenda thing is so overdone. Its like flogging a dead horse.

I sure wish I could be surprised by their "Surprises". Not very often do I get that. I was surprised when LIz and Sam had sceness at the hospital the other day but not surprised about this.

Could they have waited for three years because they had no body and didn't know for sure? Didn't doofus Dante just pull the body out of the water a few weeks ago??? I don't watch the doofus that much so I don't know but I thought I seen posts about how the body could be so "perserved" after all these years being in the water.

I think she has the child stashed somewhere. Why she is hiding him from her husband hopefully will be a surprise.

Maybe if Suzanne has the child then she isn't hell bent on destruction as she may think she has her revenge and all she has to do is tell Brenda "your child lives" and never tell her anything else. Sweet justice. You took my child and I took yours...Evil laugh... She should know though that Jason, Dante and Sonny will naturally turn the world upside down to find Brendas child.

Maybe she is the "dominate figure" in this relationship and she really is the "Balken". Now that would be a surprise. I remember Brook's mother on AMC was the "head of some organization" way back when Brook first came to town and lived with Phobe and also Leo's mother if I remember right.

But I at least want them to get Brenda and Dante for the murder of their son as Brenda did take their childs life from them.

I am going to put this in Perkies Obs as I am lazy and don't want to re type it. LOL

I'm not the least bit surprised. It would have been more interesting if SHE were the Balkan and her husband were HER minion.

Marezi - The child is stashed somewhere. Suzanne has it. Unless the Balkin does, then I would be surprised.
I don't think Brenda knows the baby is alive. Didn't she say Suzanne took the baby (dead) from her and she never got to hold it? Or am I hallucinating over a stupid show??

You would rather watch another 6 months of a trial with Brenda & Dante, than let the Balkin's kidnap her?? I would rather see her kidnapped, off my screen. Nothing but a bad dream.

I want this story to end. Whatever it takes. Please.

Brenda thinks the baby is dead, but I also remember the Balkan saying at one point that he didn't want Brenda dead before he got information from her.

So I'm just spitballing here, but does this make sense? What if Suzanne took the baby while Brenda was knocked out post pregnancy, because she knew that the Balkan had plans for the grandchild that were similar to the plans that got her son killed. So Mrs. Balkan has the baby, and is actually hiding it from her husband, but he hasn't put the pieces together. He wants to kidnap Brenda because he thinks she knows where the baby is, and will only kill her after he finds out. Meanwhile, Mrs. Balkan is working a double cross? Doeas that work?

I believe that is exactly how it will play out.
I still want it over with ASAP.

4 now...did you see my latest spoiler?

^^^ I just read it. WOW. I'm going to put my thoughts in the "This is VERY interesting.... Spoiler" section on the side. But, wow. Just, wow. The rumor that 'just won't go away, and for a good reason'???? GAH!

JAQ: You would rather watch another 6 months of a trial with Brenda & Dante, than let the Balkin's kidnap her?? I would rather see her kidnapped, off my screen. Nothing but a bad dream

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Hell no I want the Balkens to torture her ass and then put her in Helenas crypt or something where she can never come back. If she is kidnapped she will be back, you can count on it. and Dante needs to be frozen. LOL I saw the awful trial with Brenda and Jason for whatever and I don't need more Brenda drama. Just put her body where they found Alexzanders. That will work for me.

To bad this wasn't connected to Helena somehow. I would love that but I don't know how they could do it. Just "Alexzander" sounds more Russian which leads me to always think of Cassadines.

jmoney: Brenda thinks the baby is dead, but I also remember the Balkan saying at one point that he didn't want Brenda dead before he got information from her.

So I'm just spitballing here, but does this make sense? What if Suzanne took the baby while Brenda was knocked out post pregnancy, because she knew that the Balkan had plans for the grandchild that were similar to the plans that got her son killed. So Mrs. Balkan has the baby, and is actually hiding it from her husband, but he hasn't put the pieces together. He wants to kidnap Brenda because he thinks she knows where the baby is, and will only kill her after he finds out. Meanwhile, Mrs. Balkan is working a double cross? Doeas that work?
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Obsolutely works. I think Suzanne is def. working her own angle. Brenda did say she had a high fever so she probably was delirious for a long time or drugged. She took the baby and Brenda was told it died.

But the only question I have is do we know for sure that Theo knew she was PG. I thought she was over in Africa /Paris where ever she was and Suzanne was the only one with her. So unless he doubts Suzanne why would he know about the baby. Hell Suzanne could have told him the baby died later.

Or maybe he saw the papers that Carly has about giving up custody and he is going to torture the truth out of her and needs to know who the real father was/is.

The problem with GH is that nothing is surprising.

This story takes so long to unfold that I am a little numb and not that invested. It was pure logic that we guess that Suzanne was the one, all the clues pointed to it; she had access of all the places, had the information about everything and more so she was the one that supposedly delivered a still born child, snort!

So where are the surprised?

Furthermore, this story is mainly about the Balkans as a family NOT about the GH characters we like, and THAT is my main problem.

I'm no longer used to Guza writing, it took me long enough to quit and took Brenda for me to watch it. But the GH problem was and still is bad writing.

Good dialogues and good actors cannot compensate to bad writing.

Even the GH message board are different than the Y&R one. In Y&R we talked about what we saw, and the whys.

On GH board they talked about what they want to see, they talked a lot about spoiler and how their character would or would do if.

when all is said and done one thing remain; bad writing and that bad writing received accolade and won't go anywhere soon.

Really, Suzanne is the Balkan's wife, I didn't see that coming at all.

Seriously, does anything on this show surprise anyone? I am with you JAQ, I think Suzanne has Brenda's child and it is stashed somewhere, I just want this whole Balkan thing to be over with already, I want to keep Shawn.

I am curious to know how many of those discussing the lack of surprises are in tune with spoilers on the internet. With the show taping so far in advance, information is bound to get out, and it usually finds a place to settle somewhere on the web. If we didn't have spoilers or the internet, I can't help but wonder if there would be infinetly more surprises.

Marezi - the custody papers theory works, or maybe Alexander told his father Brenda was pregnant. I mean he did work for his dad, so communication between the two in reference to the son's romantic exploits is possible. That said, I think the papers would make a better story.

I'm a bit confused as to how this baby was born because the WHOLE time Brenda and Dante were referring to the baby, I was believing that she had MISCARRIED. Now, was I LED to believe that by the dialogue or was that just my mind thinking that? I could've sworn that in an eppy a week or so ago that Brenda actually said the word MISCARRIED. Now, I'm no medical professional but when I think of MISCARRY I think of a fetus that was not to term or not viable meaning she wasn't that far along. Now, if they are saying she HAD the baby wouldn't they have referred to it as stillborn? Or died after birth? To me, using the term miscarry led us to believe that the baby was never born, now they are possibly writing it as alive? I'm confused.

Beans - its a good question. I don't know if it's been said one way or the other for sure, if it has, I missed it. In any case, the only thing I heard, was that there was an agreement between Mrs. Balkan and Brenda not to discuss the baby once Brenda "knew it had died." This agreement was later rescinded once she told Dante the baby had died, "because now she felt like she could talk about it."

Thanks jmoney- I remember the scene you are talking about and I'm pretty sure either in that eppy or one close to it the word miscarry was used. I really think the writers use such vague writing or misleading writing purposely to keep us guessing or in the dark but its stupid on their part because once it is revealed, the "truth" is not consistent with the way things were written all along. And I also thought that Brenda was pregnant when Dante guarded her in 2007. She HAD to have been because his name was on the custody papers and that was the first time they met right? And when Suzanne was talking to Dante a few weeks ago about when she first met Brenda she said shortly after she met Brenda they took a trip to Africa and Brenda became very ill (the birth/miscarriage I assume) and Brenda was out of it delirious and kept saying the name Dante. WELL, if Brenda was far enough along to have delivered a baby, wouldn't she have been showing so that everyone would've SEEN that she was pregnant? Its just inconsistent writing IMO. The only plausible scenario would be that Brenda met Suzanne MONTHS after Dante guarding her and she WAS showing but Suzanne didn't want Dante to know during that recent convo that Brenda was pregnant so instead of saying that she said "sick"?

Oh and on what PLANET would a well known supermodel who is traveling the world for charitable causes and photographed on the daily be able to DELIVER a baby and not be showing? It would be virtually impossible as well known as Brenda was/is for someone not to have snapped a photo of her pregnant!

Haha, Beans! A friend of mine recently made the whole she's a supermodel and no one knows she is that far along argument, and it made me smile then too, because its true!

I mean, I think that anytime you dive into the massive number of rewrites which have been rumored, authenticity becomes a real issue. IMHO soap writers today take massive liberties, because "anything can happen in soaps." While true, its a fine line. Anything can happen, thats part of the magic, but today's soap viewer is a lot more informed, and because the world is in general a smarter place, than it was, say 20 years ago, you can't just write half-assed anymore. When you do, you get caught.

The whole baby timeline thing is what gets me about this storyline. I'm actually ok with the relationships and the investments every character have made in terms of this story, but the baby has to be written in a way that make sense...

I totally agree..it needs to make sense. I'm all for deceptive writing in a smart way that has us guessing, but when you are telling us one thing in one scene then rewriting history and contradicting what you already told us a month later in another scene, thats just SLOPPY writing, not smart writing.

I don't think spoilers are the reason for the lack of surprise in GH sls, there are spoiler free posters who guess sls as early as roles are announced and/or cast.

Everyone knew Lisa would muck up Scrubs but the initial story pulled in
even the most sceptical? viewers until Guza fell in love with BBrown and kept the story going past its spoiled by date, the thing is if Lisa had been gone for 2 months with an order that she get out patient therapy instead of 2 weeks with a clean bill of health we could have watched her struggle and fail to get over Patrick. Instead Lisa returned as though she hadn't arrived with a gun at the location where Robin was found in a well. She continued to insist that it was Robin who was crazy and for a while seemed to be making headway with the people who'd known Robin her entire life and the man who claimed to love her. I would never point fingers at those who cannot give up on this show, heck I've quit this show any number of times only to come crawling back, most recently for Brenda's return, but I'm also unwilling to let Guza off the hook for sloppy writing being the reason for the lack of surprise rather than spoilers which are pretty easy to avoid.

I will add that there isn't anything about Brenda's sl that has made sense since her arrival. Suzanne and Brenda speak as though Suzanne is Brenda's assistant arranging appearances on behalf of the charity, Naomi Campbell has done quite a bit of work for Nelson Mandela even referring to him as her surrogate grandfather but she still manages to get photographed with billionaires on yachts in the French Riviera and to get in trouble with the law every couple of years. Ms. Campbell opined not so long ago that the word supermodel gets used too easily, I could only imagine her thoughts on a 5'2'' heroine who has only one contract and has had one photo shoot in the last 6 months and has made only one charitable appearance. Many models segue into other things wouldnt it make more sense if Brenda had done television or movies, I'm no fashionista but aren't many of those covers now featuring actresses or singers as often as models? As for Suzanne pimping Murphy Sinclair, Matt Damon recently announced he had to turn down Avatar and Milk due to scheduling conflicts but Murphy Sinclair so loved Brenda that he simply walked off film sets to see her so maybe Suzanne has developed a soft spot for Brenda after all. When the writing was on the wall that Brenda was going to chose Sonny it would have been interesting if Suzanne called Murphy to throw a wrench in the works, but having read VMG's interview in TV guide she was set on working with MB and Guza hasn't shown any concern for making sense on this show in the last few years so why would he start now?