Twist the knife is right Regan, I've decided after Liz is gone, no more GH for me. I have to admit OLTL has been my guilty pleasure for a few years now since NO LIASON! I know everyone says if you are a true soap fan you stick with it, but GH has disappointed me so many times I've lost count. Honestly the only reason I kept watching was cause I thought maybe we would have a Liason reunion. See the last time Liason "broke up" I stopped watching and missed the very few times they had contact with each other, well see ya later GH, you have now become the most boring soap on ABC. Good luck Rebecca, I wish only the best for you.

PS: I wish they showed the Valentine's Day red glass episode. In my Liason mind I will always wish Liason went to Italy, got married and saw all the amazing things Jason talked to Elizabeth about in that episode!!!

Feeling the same as crazy4gh but I can't even watch anymore. Now with the wild rumors about what the show will do to Jake I having trouble reading the spoilers.

Yes, stick the knife in even deeper, ABC, and while you’re at it, don’t forget to twist it near the heart next time. It is Valentine's Day and all. What's a good Valentine's Day without a knife through the heart? Honestly, I am not the least bit surprised about this, but I do wonder how they expect Liz fans to enjoy the 'good old days' LnL2 style when too much has happened between them and all we're doing now is expecting the worst for her character's final bow????

Why choose this episode? This is another terrible decision. I think TIIC who fired Rebecca Herbst because "storyline dictates" need to watch though. The writing in 1999 was actually good then.

Thanks Regan..

Yep, there are a lot of Liz "pairings" that are ticked off that RH has been fired (LizFF, Liason, LnL2, Niz, Electrik, LiRic, Lilo and even Johnny/Liz fans).

Just thinking about that episode makes me tear up. I'm going to miss Liz!

this is cruel, i think they are on some sort of a high!! talk about rubbing salt in my wounds, as a lizFF.

Pure evil, I tell ya.

I have seen Guza and Frons mock many a fanbase but this siding against Elizabeth Webber and Becky fans is unreal...I don't know what their vendetta is but it is "no question there is one"

I will just be glad when Becky leaves I have no intention of answering their call to watch the further demise of Elizabeth Webber I left when she was standing but leaning; I peeked in after her ML to see if the pen took a turn when I saw it is for the worse I bailed I'm out of GH totally and completely "never" to return to the triad of terror ....so I'm good.

This is just them sticking their foot in the asses of her fans again "see we coulda did LnL2 but we just didn't" that's all this is we gave you a cheaper imitation in Scarecrow instead of the original whom we wrote like crap...

more mockery more bait n switch. Now I read they are leaving it open ended that Elizabeth "could" return I'm sure it won't be Becky in the role if this is true..again, misogyny at its finest...everyone else in her triangles/quads is cool and the gang but Becky's Elizabeth takes the hit...

Welcome to General Hospital: One Tree Hill or is it 90210.

RE: the OLTL episode. Wondering if this is laying more groundwork to have RH return to the show as Todd? Makes me question why that particular episode when Blair and Walker/Todd are no longer together? Of course, neither are GH's Lucky and Elizabeth. Hmmm... ABC what are you saying when these special "valentines" episodes feature 2 of 3 couples that are no longer together?

I think the blair walker thing is because it shows how blair found out he was really todd and where her mind was when all that went down. If "todd" turns out to not be real todd after all and they do bring back RH, its a good refresher. I wonder if the LL2 episode will be referenced or will be relevant in some way to the Liz exit story. AMC on the other hand probably only had this valentines episode to chose (or maybe a rylee one)since none of the other couples have been together long. Thats because the show is overrun with newbies.

ita, it's unreal......the agenda of brian frons and guza against becky and her fans takes me by surprise too. i mean, what has becky or her fans ever done to warrant this, apart from becky being loyal to the boot to this joke of a soap for 14 years, only to have this done to her then. or to her fans who sat and are still in strong support of our girl, only to have these two turds deliver another insult to an injury like this, with already an unjustly sore/hurtful wound delivered with this being done to becky. frons and guza are two misogynists, as you stated, jmo. these two deserve to be egged for this, in all honesty.

Saher89 - Great posts - keep the Liz love alive.

I just want to add that JFP takes some of the blame in my mind as well. She is a character killer, and I can totally see her laughing at the thought of knocking off another beloved character.

A part of me want Liz fans to watch the repeat but since it then works in ABC favors I say screw it.

Saher/Raven - let me ask you this....assuming some of these marathons and repeats are suppose to have current story applications ie: rerunning the JaSam baby clips from back in the day as a lead up to the current JaSam baby discussions - do you think you will still feel manipulated or tricked by the fact that they used this epi on V-day if lets say they have liz go crazy and the breakdown scene is her at the church with lucky talking her down?? Taking the Liz love/character killer/they shouldnt have fired becky issues out of it for a second, I guess what I am asking is do you think its crapping on the fan base if they did it for a purpose as opposed to just being something random??

I ask because I see whats airing on OLTL now and what they chose as their re-run episode and I see them as very relevant to one another, and I am just wondering if this is less an anti-Liz fan thing and more a set up to what we are going to see NOW kind of thing with respect to the GH choice.

raven - thanks for agreeing with me. and you`re right, JFP is to be blamed for this as well. on her part, this would be another maureen bauer mistake. this toxic trio should be kicked out of gh before they destroy it completely, jmo. and i know what tiic is doing here, so i was already going to boycott it anyway. i would rather watch it on YT, than give these jerks a live rating for it, knowing what they're doing.

ericaseviltwin - i don't think this is anything random. i still believe the whole RH firing is something to do with agenda-driven crap by Mr. Brian Frons. I mean, liz is the character who won the SOD Poll by a greater margin of 36% (in terms of story given to someone), and still this is being done to RH. you would think that after tiic saw audience`s opinion on this, they would actually give her a story, where her fans would enjoy her, instead of something where she is trashed in deliberation for an ``easy`` exit on tiic`s head, huh. no, i totally believe this has backstage politics written all over it. i mean, this is frons we are talking about here, jmo. the guy who states that the audience can be `trained` into liking something, i don't know why this being done would come as such a surprise to me. frons has had it in for BH for a while now, and this recent attitude toward this where they show something like this insensitively on the heels of RH`s firing, shows this clearly to me in every way. i mean, we have abc's sid as calling them high for even doing this. and that's what i think they must be on to do this, an idiotic high.

I dont mean random as in not part of an agenda, because I know we disagree on that one.

What I am addressing is the idea here that this "twists the knife" one more time in the hearts of Liz FF as sort of one last FU as PART of the alleged agenda. I dont think the epi was chosen to slam the fanbase, but rather because I think the ll2 relationship is going to potentially be a big part of the exit story what with the aiden reveal likely to happen. If the episode was chosen to remind viewers of the history, thus making the exit story more poignant or moving, then isnt it less an FU and more a goal to pick episodes that dovetail with current stories. If it was chosen with that purpose in mind, doesnt that mean that even if there is an agenda, this choice probably isnt part of it??

i think there is an agenda involved,jmo, as i said they could have had liz fans with a more deserving s/l than this, if for once, tiic cared to listen to it's audience. if they were choosing with what you're suggesting, they could have chosen the last year's feb. episode where liz was in due to hypothermia and then found out she was pregnant. but, no, they chose the special ll2 one when the writing actually meant in favor of them, in terms of meaning back then of them showing care/interest for the couple, than this right now. i think , with tiic, knowing this, are doing this deliberately as, knowing that this was a special part of ll2's memory, and considering RH's firing recently, this would be another added insult to injury, and i believe they're aware of that, jmo.

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree...I just dont see how we can know whether that episode was chosen with intent until we see what the upcoming stories are and how they fit together. Personally I would love for them to have chosen something that featured CarSon back in the day or better yet an epi with robert and anna. yeah tb got screwed over and TR and FH both got screwed over too, but I would welcome seeing them again - I def. wouldnt considered it an agenda or like they were thumbing their noses at me.

after that episode, that is special to ll2 having their first vows, and now with RH's firing here, there is spec. about them having lucky say his love for siobhan. so, yeah, this is tiic thumbing down their noses at already the beyond-bruised-by-them ll2 fans. but if still no agreement, then agree to disagree.

And that would be speculation...which again is exactly what I am talking about - until we see what airs over the next 2-3 months, no one can speak with certainity as to why four epis were chosen.

no, sorry, (i thought at first it was spec. but went to go check the site and it was said as a spoiler), a spoiler that's confirmed on ghh, that lucky says his love for siobhan. so, this is insulting the already injured ll2 fans again, with using this special v-day's episode of them. and from my side, damn gh for this.

So I take it that you thought it was insulting last year when tptb used these scenes to pimp niz and give Liz an excuse for cheating on Lucky??

I guess I dont see how lucky saying ILY to Siobhan, if he does so, is relevant when my question is about whether the network is using these older episodes to refresh the history for viewers - I am not talking about fans of one character or another character - I am talking about the general viewership who either is too new and thus never saw those scenes or hasnt scene them in ages and thus the history wouldnt be as relevant as if would if the scenes were reaired.

If Robert and anna were coming in town to see Robin I could see where we might get the scenes right before the boat was blown sky high back in the day....as a robert and anna fan I would probably prefer to see their wedding or any number of other happy epis, but I could see where the stuff leading up to the explosion might be more relevant to current viewers depending on what the upcoming story might be.

ok, there is a misinformation, last year they didn't showcase a v-day episode to pimp niz, but now showing it on the same day that ll2 made vows and basically with that visual, in the next episode having lucky say ILY to Siobhan, so basically shoe-stepping on that memory, which, imo, for me is extremely insulting.

and regardless of if they're showing it for new viewers or not, for me that doesn't cut it. it is insulting to me that tiic would use such a special episode to visually have lush walk all over it, and with RH`s firing, it`s extremely disrespectful to me, as a lizFF. this is the best way i can describe it, and nothing else, jmo. if we still disagree, then to each his own.

Saher the scene at jakes with Nembecca and LL2 was Liz using the story of her rape (including the visual of her "wedding" in flashbacks) as a way to back Rebecca off and keep her from telling lucky about niz.

but it was different situation, jmo. that was to showcase liz's emotional struggle in general, where she was at, and something that preceded her breakdown. so, them using that then, kind of made sense. but this is completely different, this is having lush just basically walk all over ll2's special visual, when lucky tells siobhan ILY right after that. and for me, using that kind of memory for THAT, is very insulting to me, as a lizFF. and this is the best way I can describe it. as i stated before, if we still don't agree, then politely agree to disagree, jmo.

Saher89
Its mocking her her character and her fans plain and simple and its not over in accordance to insiders' she will be written more horridly every single time you see her on the screen will be worse than the last there is a "reason" why

This isn't happenstance its by "design"

I agree cyberologist, I think there is more of a motivation behind this, jmo. This is for tiic to practically stick it to liz and her fanbase, jmo, for still supporting our girl after all this, as there's been an opposite affect of their 'agenda' and we still love her, despite their many efforts to try and make us hate her. They can do anything, and it isn't going to happen, as I see what they're doing. But, this gives one a clear perception about what tiic thinks of their audience, jmo, and that just like frons, they think they can train their audience into seeing something their way. Talk about showing the audience in a subtle way of their thinking of us being in the idiocy, as on the same level as them, and their gullibility too of us actually buying into this agenda-driven destruction of liz, jmo. This extent of insult in delivering their agenda is just unreal, jmo, and I just don't get it, to begin with. I know that they're just going to ruin her further now, and that's also why i stopped watching.

Saher89 - I stopped watching as well. GH just loves to trash the female characters. Robin is the only one I care about that is left and I refuse to watch to see how long it takes for them to trash her as well. They have already ruined Brenda. Elizabeth is just the latest victim. I refuse to participate. This show is over. The GH that I have been watching for more than 30 years has been gone for too long. This show that is airing is not my GH. It is gone from my DVR. Goodbye GH!!!

GHvetfan - i couldn't watch gh anymore, after they did this to becky. This move on tiic's part is the straw that broke the camel's back, jmo, for some long-time viewers. this being done to RH is really going to have GH take a hit in that. i hope my fight to have RH be kept on gh does succeed, and if it doesn't, then it's this-time-for-good-goodbye to gh, from me.