Elizabeth is one of the snootiest, snarkiest, snobbiest, manipulating, deceitful characters on GH!!!  She was likeable back in the original teenage Lucky/Liz days but ever since becoming an adult I see nothing likeable or rootable about her.  With her holier-than-thou attitude she could give snarky Helena a run for her money!

Seems like the Cassadine clan would be a good fit for her since Helena and Nikolas also think they're better than everyone else in PC.  Hopefully the baby will be Nik's and Lucky can finally be free to find a kind, honest, trustworthy woman who truly loves him for him and who'll give him a child of his own! 

It's time for Lucky to have real love, happiness and joy in his life!!!

Generail Hospital on Friday was interesting to say the least. I agree that Carly running around town trying to figure a way out to get Sonny off was classic Carly.  The biggest thing everyone needs to keep in mind this was not about Sonny.  It was about Michael.  If no one caught the plot point about the whole thing then I guess I am lucky to have noticed it right away.  Carly in a nutshell told Olivia she was also protecting her son.  Umm isn't Dante suppossed to find out soon that Michael is the killer?  Well there ya go!

Helena and Luke on the same side?  Paging Laura Spencer!  Bring her back now!  Your family needs you!

Nothing else was interesting at all about that day.  The car crash makes no sense and is so random! 

T-Minus three days till the new opening and I cannot wait!

EET and GHvetfan:  I agree with a lot of what you both said.  I guess I can see both sides of the argument.

However, I don't think she puts herself on a pedestal, the men in her life do.  Why?  I don't know.
 

As for the snarking, I will admit that she does it to the people she hates, but doesn't that make sense?  Other than the one time when she asked Scrubs to help her get her job back, in the middle of this breakdown, she hasn't been snarky to Robin.  she was never snarky to Emily.  She isn't snarky to Monica.  Before the reveal, she wasn't snarky to Lulu.  And though we've seen her get ticked at Pif once or twice, for the most part, she isn't snarky to Pif.  She was nice to Diane when asking about selling the house.  She's nice to Alexis whenever they let Alexis out of the closet to interact with others.

Has she been snarky to Maxie?  Sure, but I think that one makes sense.  Is she snarky to Carly?  Sure, but Carly's a bitch (and I say that loving LW's portrayal of her).  Is she snarky to Sam?  Other than that incredibly weird scene at Kelly's last week, we really haven't seen her and Sam sharing scenes lately. 

So, Maxie, her husband's former lover and Carly, the town biatch.  I'd say that isn't snarking to everyone, all the time.

sassydreams wrote: Lucky can finally be free to find a kind, honest, trustworthy woman who truly loves him for him and who'll give him a child of his own

I have no problem with Lucky finding a woman of his own (although this town is seriously lacking in that area.  Skye is way too old for him, so I don't know who she's going to be paired with when she gets back).

After what's happened I don't think L&L should find their way back to each other.  Ever.  But this is a soap and characters forgive the strangest behaviour. 

HOwever, Cam and Jake are his children, whether he's married to their mother or not.  Biology or not.  So he still needs to fulfil his parental responsibilities in that area. 

acespencer wrote: T-Minus three days till the new opening and I cannot wait!

Why do I get the feeling we're going to be disapointed?

I hate Lucky.

I hate Liz storyline

I hate how Liz treated Nik when he came to see her

I hate everything that is going on right now.

After months of greatness now it's back to piss poor writing.

Why is Liz crazy? Yes I want to know also.

Helena is funny but after a while it's boring.

THe heavy handed writing for Lucky is super annoying.

My two biggest problems are thay Liz had her arm twisted about going to Shadybrook and people are going to be all like well Liz checked herself in.  Yes technically but come on she was roped in by the moronic trio.

Also I have never been a fan of people telling you what they think you need to hear..Liz in this facility and does Lucky think its a wise thing to tell her he forgives her if he doesn't mean it..because sorry once he says that whether he meant it or not all bets are off.  I also have no problem being mad at Nik because it show emotions and the simple fact that at least someone is mad at Nik

Lulu shut the Fruck up..this is when she bothers me.  This is not your business any more..if all of your brothers fawn all over Liz its on them not you or Liz.

To put to rest if Liz got counseling for her rape here is a transcript of when she talked with Emily after Emily's rape from 2-10-2005 from GH transcripts:

http://tvmegasite.net/day/gh/transcripts.shtml

Elizabeth: Are you sleeping?
Emily: The nightmares are getting worse.
Elizabeth: I remember. I had them for a long time.
Emily: How'd you manage?
Elizabeth: I got help. I got counseling, and I had Lucky. He saved me.
Emily: I wish he could save me.

Paging Genie Francis!!!!!is Themost pivotal person in this whole Cassadine/Spencer war making out with Scottie Baldwin in Paris? Whatever personal problem TPTB have with her...They need to get over it so they can be #1 again....It's kind of like the Dante/Sonny?Olivia storyline without Kate.  I get Liason is never going down,and lucky* for me they've written those two characters so against type lately that it doesn't hurt anymore. The thing is i'm not gonna give on the Laura/Kate subject.

TWO actresses that can give you about 10 different storylines just from their mere presence. I keep hearing soaps are having budget problems. So why are they hiring new Dr's no one cares about and Quartermaines no ones ever heard of when Genie and Kate are sitting right there. Economically it makes sense....Creatively it is PURE GENIUS!!!!jmo.

toytoy - "TWO actresses that can give you about 10 different storylines just from their mere presence. I keep hearing soaps are having budget problems. So why are they hiring new Dr's no one cares about and Quartermaines no ones ever heard of when Genie and Kate are sitting right there. Economically it makes sense....Creatively it is PURE GENIUS!!!!jmo."

I totally agree with you!  There couldn't be a better time for Genie Francis to be back on screen!!!

Lizard - So many things to discuss here....

I am going to start with Raven and Big Dede - ICAM that this story makes no sense and that the whole commitment to Shadybrooke is WHACK.  I have said before all of this would make more sense if her rapist had just died in jail or was being released - something, anything that would explain why she is suddenly in crisis.  I dont get it...unless its a manipulation and the whole thing is to elicit sympathy from the two men she still wants.

Raven I do however disagree about Nik - yes Lulu and Lucky seem more angry with Lizard than they are with Nik for reasons that make sense - Lucky feels its a pattern with Eliesalot and Lulu wants to find a way to forgive her brother - but clearly Steve and Luke both put the bulk of this on Nik....Luke has threatened war on Nik (because he feels its a Cassadine pattern) and Steve because he is Lizard's brother and he wants to excuse her behavior.  So the idea that all of this fell on her and not on Nik is horsehockey IMHO and her being angry with him is total hypocracy.  Again, their trysts were mostly at Wyndemere which means she went to him time and time again, including when he wanted to leave town permanently.

Oh before I forget - Marezi thanks for finding that..I was so sure she had therapy.  She def. had a good support network between Audrey, Bobbie, Lucky and to a lesser extent Sarah and Nik. 

Perkie - hmmm lets look at your list and you will see some of my problem with this character --- not snarky to Robin...DOCTOR...not snarky to Emily - DOCTOR to be, rich.  not snarky to Monica - her boss who is a DOCTOR (although I would argue that she has shown in convos with Jason that others that she doesnt think much of Monica or really for that matter Edward, but they are Emily's family and her boss) DIane - in the only scene they really had together Lizard wanted something - to access the trust fund - and she was nice to her when Diane was representing her in the divorce. Alexis - another professional - only  had really good scenes with her when they had a common enemy Rebecca.

So who does she snark at - Rebecca, Sam, Courtney, Carly, Claudia and Gia...all non-Doctors.  All people she saw as getting in her way.  And yes, she has been snarky with Pif on more than one occassion.  I dont think she thinks much of her but she has to deal since Pif is her boss...and its not just that she is snarky when she is in conflict with people its that she cant get through a convo about the person without rolling her eyes, snapping her neck or snarking her brow about it.   She's also snarky with every ex except Jason.  Plus she gets jealous/snarky/eavesdropp-y (LOL) even with her friends.  Remember after Emily got raped and she was leaning on Lucky because Nik was in prison - Lizard was NONE too happy.  She didnt like it when Brenda married Jason - Brenda went on her list at that point.  She inserted herself in the Nikadine relationship and got all possessive of nik even though she was in the middle of post Lucky/secret Jiz angst.  I will also add she does a lot of this type of crap when she is on duty at the nurses desk and I find that totally unprofessional.

Sassy - as usual I TOTALLY agree with everything you said about ol' Threepeat.

GHVet - I wanted to revisit your post...specifically these 4 comments..

I look at her as a rape victim who never really dealt with the rape.  Did she ever get help?

It is very real that years later the victim can still be second guessing themself. 

Liz has a history of going for men who are dangerous.  Is she looking for someone she can trust to protect her or is she going for men she feels like she deserves?  Zander, Jason, Nikolas, and Rik are all so far removed from who Lucky is.  I just think Liz feels like she doesn't deserve the respectable Lucky and the house with the picket fence. 

Carly has always hated her because she was close to Jason at a time when Carly messed up that relationship.  Liz didn't come between them.  Carly did

 Liz went to Jason so she could lick her wounds.

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Lizard as a rape victim who never really dealt with the rape....Lizzie Bordon just took an axe to Luckys heart AGAIN and suddenly the rape is being trotted out as a factor.  I have great sympathy for anyone who goes through something like this character endured and yest its true that rape victims often go through a lifetime of angst and recrimination, but my question that I keep having is why now.  She did get couseling and seemed to have handled much of her issues about the rape. As you mentioned she got closure when her attacker was arrested and when she got the opportunity to confront him.  She had a great support network at the time.  We saw no signs of this being some persistant, mental instability inducing, behavior altering issue for the last decade.  She didnt walk away from Ric when he played the rape card with Carly, she didnt flip out when Emily was raped, she didnt have a flashback or talk about her attack after she was grabbed Anthony or Diego and heres what she said after Manny
grabbed her -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEN7Lc-r-Ps&feature=related

She said that Manny grabbed her the way Tom did, but "despite what it looks like I dont dwell on it" and "I hardly think about it at all anymore, its just that there are moments that catch me off guard".

Plus, how many valentines days have come and gone without prompting Lizard to go into a fugue state - including the V-Day she celebrated with Lucky the year after the rape or her bringing Jason fudge to celebrate the day or even this V-Day after Lucky "died" where she says Lucky took the second worst night of her life and turned it into something beautiful for her...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-juMcAnujE

So I guess I have a hard time buying the rape as a factor in why she chose to boink brothers.  I also cant reconcile this idea of Lizard feeling unworthy of the white picket fence when she apparently thought she was not "imperfect" before the ickyNiz tryst, as she just asked Patrick if being imperfect would now make her a bad mother.   She clearly thinks she is better than Sam, Carly, Maxie etc. and they all have the white picket fence right now to one extent or another, so why would she believe herself unworthy.  Could it be that its NOT that she thinks she is unworthy, but rather that she wants the security of having Lucky but she wants the excitement of the forbidden on the side?  This seems to be an Occam's razor type situation - isnt the simplest explanation the most likely.  We see the whole family on one side, racy fun on the other kind fo thing all the time in life.

As for Jarly, yes Carly made many a mistake, but Lizard constantly played up Jason's guilt over Lucky and his protectiveness/friendship as something more when she talked to Carly.  Carly would say stay away and Eliesalot would respond with "if I want him I will have him" kind of responses all the while knowing that Jason did want to be a family with Carly and Michael. A decent person, a loving friend would have said Carly, I dont like you, but you have nothing to worry about between Jason and I, he wants to be with you and he and I are just friends.  Carly's behavior may have been obnoxious, but Lizzie should have taken Jason's feelings into account.

Licking her wounds....almost a month BEFORE he was "licking her wounds" Lizard stole the file from the pcpd to protect jason even though it was a violation of the trust between her and her police officer husband..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joXa-AmWeLo

And the whole scene on the dock where she was telling Jason about how HE saved her.... it was a month before the licking happened.  

There was a raft of "moments" where she had to talk to Jason about Soily or JaSam or Manny or Lucky...it was one time after another where she inserted herself and yes, Sam had concerns before but her bigger issue was trying to get Jason to stop pushing her away.
 

EET - BRAVO!!! 

Thoughtful and very well said!  Excellent points and examples.  I so totally agree!!!

Perkie - "What a way to end a Friday. Oh no, will Lucky and Maxie survive?"

Perkie, I hope GH does a PSA on the hazards of driving while TALKING on the phone AND TEXTING at the same time!!!  

No matter how fast Lucky was driving it was Maxie who was talking on her phone to Kate while driving AND texting her at the very same time.  She totally took her eyes off the road!  Texting is as bad if not worse than driving drunk! 

GH definitely needs to do a PSA after presenting a scene like this in my opinion!!!
 

In New York, Oprah follows GH and she has a campaign to make your car a no phone zone and recently progressive insurance has become her partner so a PSA would be easy for GH.

maxsmom - Yes I'm aware of Oprah's campaign and wouldn't it make a lot of sense for GH to do that.  I really hope they do!  In my area it seems like more and more accidents and deaths are reported every day due to cell phone use.  A lot more than drunk drivers these days.  And it's not limited to young people or women.  I see men and women both young and old driving down the road talking on their phones or texting every day.  It's very scary to drive these days!

EET, I am not the poster you responded but I would like to put my two cents regarding Elizabeth. 

Elizabeth did not mess anything up between Jason/Carly.  Carly went off to Sonny almost begging for advice just because she saw Jason/Liz dancing at Kelly's.  Sonny told her that in his opinion She was not good enough for Jason.  One thing led to another with those two and when Jason showed up shot at Sonny's for help Carly was wearing Sonny's shirt coming down the stairs, and it was clear what had happened between them.  After Liz found Jason in the snow and he was recovering at her studio Carly went to see him.  He told her then that he could not be with her like she wanted because she would eventually hurt him again.  He ended any romantic possibility with Carly--it had nothing to do with Elizabeth.  Carly knew she was wrong and she wanted to blame Liz for being a friend to Jason .  At that point they were friends that depended on each other to listen about their problems, and Carly could not handle the truth.  Thus was born the Elizabeth/Carly rivalry, and both have been equally snarky to one another ever since.

Pif may be Elizabeth's boss but she is also able to put all the doctors on staff at GH in their place, and she does it with a heavy dose of snarkiness herself.  I do love Pif though and she has been snarky to non-staffers if they cross her path--Tracy, Carly come to mind.  I think Elizabeth respects Pif for being a single mother who supported her son by being a nurse.  I also think that Liz respects Robin and Monica.  Yes they are doctors but that is not the reason.  When Robin had her friends/family helping her get ready to marry Patrick Elizabeth was there.  Liz and Maxie even put aside their differences because it was Robin's day.  Also at the intervention when Robin had PPD and Robin herself listed all of Maxie's misdeeds including everything Lucky related, she turned to Elizabeth and asked her how can you even be in the same room as Maxie after all she has done to you?  Elizabeth was not snarky to Maxie then but said they were all there to help Robin.  Liz did not want anything from Maxie, and was civill to her.  As for Monica I cannot recall a snarky moment.  I do know that at Emily's memorial Monica asked Liz to speak, and told her how she was grateful to Liz being Emily's friend when she was first adopted by the Q's.  Elizabeth and Emily truly were best friends, and they may not have always agreed with one another, but the friendship was never broken. 

Alexis and Elizabeth need more scenes.  I agree about their scenes between them being good when they both knew Rebecca was pulling something, but they could not convince Nikolas at the time.  I remember Elizabeth being a Nadine/Nik supporter.  She was the sounding board for both of them, and encouraged their relationship.  Liz just wanted Nikolas to quit hanging on to Emily's memory and try with Nadine.  She also told Nadine that Nik was scared of letting anyone else in after Emily died and to give him time.  That is one reason I never bought the contrived Niz mess because they had such a good friendship.  The writers wanted to trash the Elizabeth character, and the fastest way was the triangle of Nik/Liz/Lucky.  All three characters have suffered in my opinion, and the only one at this time they are trying to write for is Lucky.  Elizabeth is not snarky to Diane because she has no reason to be.  Diane knows about Jake because of Jason's trial.  Diane knows about the hell Lucky put Liz through because she handled the divorce.  For that matter Diane gets her digs in at everyone but she has never been snarky to Elizabeth.  Even when Alexis-herBFF- was with Jerry Diane was very snarky to her. 

I do not like the storyline of Elizabeth having a breakdown because I know the writers will not really show her getting any therapy sessions to discuss the reasons that it happened.  It would have been a great story if we saw her in sessions discussing everything from her parents basically abandoning her, her rape, the "death" of Lucky, her friendship with Emily, her romantic relationships, the birth of her boys, and anything else that led to her mental state at this point in time.  Since Helena is rumored to be gone by the first week of March, Liz will probably be released with no mor explanation of the entire matter.  At least Lulu had Laura to talk to and sort through everything she was dealing with when she was committed.  For a show that has done social/medical stories well in the past--Stone having AIDS, Robin being HIV positive, Elizabeth's rape, Jason's brain damage, Emily and Alan's addiction, Sonny's bi-polar diagnoysis, & Lucky's addiction to name a few they are dropping the ball here if they continue writing it this way.  It will turn out like Monica's alcoholism s/l, which was not done very well IMO. 

coolblue - After reading your entire post I still see no explanation for Elizabeth's disgusting behavior other than pure selfishness and a total lack of self control which are no excuse for her lying and cheating on her FIANCEE Lucky for many months with his BROTHER Nikolas!
 

sassy--I was commenting on the relationships between Elizabeth and other characters mentioned in previous posts as being snarky with no reason for it.  As Perkie noted there are reasons why Elizabeth treats certain people as she does.  On the same page there are certain characters Carly, Maxie (except for Robin's wedding), Sam  have treated Elizabeth the same way for years.  It is the way the characters are written, and it will probably not change.

The storyline of Elizabeth cheating on Lucky with Nikolas never made sense to me from day one.  It took Liz/Lucky/Nik away from the characters we have consistently been shown since each debuted on GH.  Only the writers can explain it, if they do remains to be seen. 

Rebecca, Sam, Courtney, Carly, Claudia and Gia...all non-Doctors.

 

rebecca, sleazy con artist who came to town in order to profit from the death of a sister she never knew or cared about. i really don't care who was snarky to her.

sam.  i am not even going to get in to this one. because i don't have all day to sit her and argue over the liz versus sam war.

courtney, ok, sorry, but that girl got on my nerves from the beginning. from the "pretty woman" fantasy about AJ, to being stupid enough not to know her own husband was her black mailer. never mind the fact that she acted like a beotch towards liz while emily was dying from cancer, all because she was insecure about liz and jason helping each other through such a hard time.(even though this was during the LiRic era, and liz was still in love with him, even though he was a creep). then her and jax come to Liz, and ask her to be a surrogate for them. Liz says yes. And Courtney can't handle it.  So she starts up this little "friendship" with Nik, who is married to Lizzies best friend, who happens to be recovering from being raped. Lets her marriage fall to hell, all because she couldn't handle the fact that liz was carrying a child for her, after she asked her to.  Bottom line, Courtney was a self centered little twit. she cheated on her first husband with his brother. Married him. Then ratted him and her own brother out to the cops. Then marries Jax, and cheats on him with Nik, knowing his wife was raped, and was going through hell. If I knew some one like her in real life. I'd be more than snarky.

Carly started in on Liz the day she found out Liz and Jason were friends. Liz was still greiving Lucky. Jason was focused on getting Carly and Mike away from the Qs. Instead of trusting Jason, Carly jumped to the wrong conclusion, and banged his best friend, ruining any chance she ever had with him. Instead of owning that, she blamed Liz. Every argument I have ever scene between Liz and Carly, was started by Carly. This fued has been going own for years. They are snarky to each other, because they don't like each other. It's a two way street.

Claudia, well what female in town wasn't snarky to Claudia. She was a first rate bitch.

Gia. I'm sorry, but does any body here remember "Dead Ted"?  Gia knew what really happened. But instead of coming forward amd telling the truth, she(the sister of a cop in PC), decided to frame Emily for murder, and black mail her. therefore, setting in to motion a whole mess of events, that put Em and all of her friends through hell.  Let's not forget that she was also responsible for the accident that nearly killed Liz. Instead of owning that, she acting all concerned and friendly, and invited Liz to stay with her and Nik while she healed, when in reality, she was just trying to cover her own ass, and keep Liz from remembering.  I'd be in bitch mode too if I were Liz.

jlh0117 - I don't know how to say this in the appropriate words but from the bottom of my heart  - I  FLOVE YOU ....you so ROCK.  What EET is to SamFF you are to LizFF.  I swear I remember this show and then you post and I go damn was I even watching because you remember everything that I have forgotten.  I knew there was a reason for my Gia hate.  Courtney hate was beyond beyond.

Please be advised that I am officially the charter member of your fan club.

sassydreams wrote: Perkie, I hope GH does a PSA on the hazards of driving while TALKING on the phone AND TEXTING at the same time

It is now illegal here in Ontario for anyone to text or talk on a cell phone and drive.  Of course, we still see people doing it.,

Big Dede--- I am sorry you seem to hate everything and everyone. If it is so awful perhaps you should fine something else to watch and complain about. Would like to see a positive remark

Perkie, we have cell phone use laws in VA as well but very few people seem to follow them.  Scary!

I am just going to comment on three things...

first - if Lizard respected Monica she wouldnt have fought Jason over telling her about Jake when she was in mourning for her daughter.  No she isnt snarky to the former Chief of Staff, but she doesnt respect her all that much either.

Carly jumped to all the wrong conclusions in part because of her insecurities but also in part because that was what Lizard was selling every time they fought.  Lizzie hated Carly and liked to spin her up about Jason - it is typical for this character to insert herself into a relationship thats in trouble and then wait for it to implode so she can capitalize.  Its what she was doing with jarly, its what she did with LuSam and JaSam, its what she did with REm and given the time it seemed like that was what she was doing with Jax/Courtney

Finally, its interesting that Lizard never got past Reb being a so-called "sleazy con" but she is totally kosher with Reb's partner in crime, Ethan.  She is justified in hating Courntey in part for her affair with a married man but she is having an affair with her fiancees brother, and she hated Gia for the car accident cover up, but Gia 's partner in crime on that one is the man she is currently boinking.  She hates Maxie for sleeping with Lucky but she forgave Lucky enough to remarry him.   I guess maybe thats another reason I cant stand this character - she ALWAYS seems to get forgiveness but she never really gives any at least with the women.

jlj0117 and Raven: whoo rah

EET wrote -
So with Jason, Lizard is exploring a love "years in the making", but when she does the same type of bad act with Nik, she is a poor rape victim that never got over it. 

 

1. I never said anything about "years in the making".  That is, however, something a lot of pro Liz / anti-Sam folks have said.  I think it is a mistake to assume that because I have not joined the anti-Liz parade it automatically makes me anti-Sam or even pro-Liz.  I am not involved in that debate.  I can point out my observations about Liz without being a part of either team.  I think the entire debate is silly.  The moment someone claims that they like Liz because she isn't this, the writers will make her do that.  The same goes for Sam.  I am a fan of the show.   There is a period on the end of that sentence.

2. I do not like the Liz and Nik relationship because it came out of nowhere and was never set up.  I don't remember the two even having any romantic interest in each other since Liz chose Jason over Nikolas at one of the hospital Xmas parties.  Before that, I don't remember Nik's feelings being reciprocated by Liz.  I think the writers could have done a better job setting up the affair. 

3. There are a lot of "poor rape victims" that never got over it.  There are also a lot of rape survivors who thought that they had put the past behind them and just get slammed out of nowhere by a song or a smell or even an event years later.  It does not have to be anything as tangible as the death of the attacker or his release.  It can simply catch her off guard in a weak moment.  That is why I am more interested in Liz's sessions and less interested in Helena's big bad threats.  Didn't we already go down this road with Spencer?  Helena, Jax, Carly, and Nikolas fought for control of a child and they have all since forgotten his existance.
4. I am not wearing "rose colored glasses"  My comment about Liz wearing devil horns was not meant as disrespect.  I just think that it may be possible for you to enjoy the show more and the character more if you didn't watch just looking for more fuel for your debate. 

EDIT - I would just like to point out that when I say "you" could enjoy the show more if "you" are not looking for fuel in a debate, I do not solely mean "you" as EET but anyone watching looking for fuel.  The comment is not meant as disrespect either.

jlj0117 - I would like to apply for the position of Vice-President of your fan club.  You have an amazing memory and I like that you simply list the events without an aganda or any spin that would support a side in a fan war.   Awesome!!

Perkie - Go ahead and shoot me but don't forget the call to 911.  Thanks!

There are also a lot of rape survivors who thought that they had put the past behind them and just get slammed out of nowhere by a song or a smell or even an event years later.

Again - if we had been shown that moment where she smelled Tom's aftershave, or heard someone who sounded like him SOMETHING, ANYTHING it didnt have to be major...then I could accept that the rape is part of the equation in the present.  We were never given that up until she seemed to use the rape as a way of putting Rebecca off telling Lucky the truth, then suddenly she was reeling.  By then her affair was in full gear. To me the rape suddenly being this hot topic seemed both random and potentially an unintentional?? intentional?? manipulation. As I mentioned, there were many many moments over the last ten years that really would have been potential triggers but we got nothing.  Time and time again she said yes I have those moments but I am really past it.

To be clear, I do love the show most days.  In the last year I think it has really started to come back to the GH I love...no I dont love every character or every storyline...but for the most part I do enjoy the show. Right now the three characters that I am really irritated with are Lizard, Nik and Jax...and off and on Luke would make 4.  My list of loathed characters/annoyed with/bored with characters for AMC and OLTL is MUCH longer.  As I said before, I dont see being anti-Liz as being anti-GH or anti-Vet. And I am sure if Nik was on more I would be putting him on blast more often, same as I do with Jax, but Lizard gets more comments from me mostly because she is on WAY TOO MUCH thus providing me with scenes like Friday that I find puke inducing and she is hurting one of my favorite characters, Lucky Spencer.

and a hearty whoo ra to you GHvetFan

edit update: I watched Celebrity Fit Club this morning and stole the whoo ras from Harvey but they perfectly express my feelings for the 3 of you today so whoo rah.

.  Lizzie hated Carly and liked to spin her up about Jason -
 

 Liz and Carly HARDLY knew each other when Carly started in on Liz. She made accusations that had no merit what so ever. She accused liz of trying to steal her boyfriend, for no other reason than the fact that she was being immature and insecure.(and might I add, she made these accusations about another woman honing in on her "boyfriend", while she herself was married to the guys brother.) Carly launched a verbal assault on Liz, and Liz threw it right back at her. Liz loved Lucky back then. She was still broken hearted over losing him. she wasn't thinking about a relationship with anyone at that time.

given the time it seemed like that was what she was doing with Jax/Courtney

 

Let's recap here. Liz was again, inlove with Lucky. Liz was broke. Lucky was broke. she needed to take care of her son. Jax AND Courtney approach her about being a surrogate. After giving it some thought, and arguing with Lucky, she said yes.  Jax was excited, and Courtney was at first too. But then they find out that Courtneys eggs aren't viable, so it has to be one of Lizzies eggs. Courtney agreed, but that is when she started having doubts, without telling anyone.  Liz gets pregnant. jax goes way overboard in the excitement. lucky is hating every second, and feeling more and more insecure. In Jax-asses excitement, he is oblivious to the fact that Courtney is feeling left out more and more. Courtney finally says something. Jax is an insensitive prick(suprise, suprise). Courtney and Jax start having problems. Liz still trying to re-assure lucky every time she turns around. jax and Courtney split up over her "friendship" with Nik. Nik tries to talk Liz into keeping the baby and not letting Jax have it.(it is after all just a baby, and here for the grown ups to play tug of war with.) . Lucky gets pissed. Liz re-assures him again. She loves him. She isn't going any where. Jax cons Courtney back in to the marriage, only planning on staying with her until the kid was born, then planned to dump her and take the baby. Courtney figured it out.  Courtney left. Liz was thinking about keeping the baby. jax started sucking up. showered Liz and cam with gifts. Lucky got pissed. Liz reassured him. again. doesn't matter what the end result would have been, because Carly had her break down, jumped in to the road, caused jax and Liz to crash, liz lost the baby,  every one tried to comfort her, but guess what........... "I just want Lucky".