This really sucks as a viewer for many reasons...rumor is that Malcom is returning - but he couldn't return when it was revealed (to Neil) that he was her father??? Dru's funeral? Lily's wedding? I wonder how they will explain that one.

Also, based upon rumors that they will remove her uterus and fallopian tubes - why would they do this to the Winter's family? They are removing the chance for there to be a future generation of Winter's so they may as well write the whole family off. That's what I feel they are doing.

I know that people have children all of the time on soaps, uterus or not...and sure, Nate may come back with a kid...but it is sad that they choose to end the future of the only AA family on the show (based upon who is on the canvas right now).

Futhermore, I will have to wait and see if CK can really play this. I don't see her being able to pull it off.

thecourt, Shemar has said in an interview I think w/Nelson Branco that the great LML DENIED him the chance to make occasional appearances on the show when Shemar offered. Now that's big of him considering most who transition from soaps to primetime turn their backs on their old roots.

So far it sounds like a storyline that I will be fastforwarding. I can't see CK being able to attract me or hook me on this upcoming story

I hate to be mean but WHO REALLY CARES?!

Is the end near for Y&R's Cane and Lily? One can only hope. Should it come like this? I don't think so.

Isn't it a little much for Lily to have to face ovarian cancer after finding out her husband's a complete fraud? I guess it happens (see: Elizabeth Edwards) but it seems like a lot to tackle at once.

Why are they giving such a MEATY storyline to such a lightweight "actress?" Khalil doesn't deserve it, she won't be able to convincingly pull it off, and I hope Lily DIES.

Too bad they can't give this SL to a Jess Walton, for instance, who would no doubt knock it out of the ballpark.

This is not a good storyline. They are making sure that the Winter's family cannot procreate. Essentially castrating that family from further expanding itself into the show. Now we only have hope that Little Nate won't loose a nut....And then this is also just another social issue of the month club storyline. I'm tired of it. I want a black bitch and good storylines like Phyllis, Nick, Jack, Sharon, Victor and Ashley get. Why we got to get stuck with the Oprah After School specials all the time!

Shit I'm calling it out. All the white characters have loads of children and but the black one's can't have but one. Karen (whose not black) was unable to produce a child for Neil. Now Lily will be unable to produce a child for Cane. Yet Jack, Victor, Nick, and everyone else in town will have the ability to produce 2o kids if they so be it.

Maria Hell, Scott Slammer, and Hogan Heffer need their pink slips and pronto!

i actually like lily and cane together...

Now we only have hope that Little Nate won't loose a nut....
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Sigh. Didn't they already do this with Olivia? She was pregnant with Nate, and then discovered she had (uterine?) cancer. She decided not to seek treatment, choosing to have her baby first. Then, after Nate was born, the cancer was miraculously healed.

Repeating the same story within the same family?? I realize Lily may not be pregnant, but still....

MAB is not working for me. I say bring back Ed Scott or SSM to head write the show because they know Bill Bell vision of Y&R and sorry but MAB, Rauch and Hogan isn't cutting it anymore. It is showing on our screens now.

I don't know what ya'll are talking about. MAB, Rauch, and Hogan may not be Bill Bell, but they are writing some damn good soap. I'm loving Y&R right now! The storylines are a little more out there than what fans are use to, however, it's a sign of the times. People want entertainment and that's what we get when we sit down to watch Y&R now. Remember how horrible this soap was when LML was driving it into the ground? Yeah, I wish Drucilla (my favorite soap character) was back, but beggers cannot be choosers. Y&R is on fiya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like it or lump it.

Come on guys. A few months ago we were singing MAB's praises and now we are calling her everything but a child of God. I don't know. I think she has done some good things and bad things. We will never be totally happy with the show. I guess we should enjoy some of the story lines that are well written. The others, we can hope that they end soon!

Regyreg, do you recall back in the day when Y&R draggwed on and on? Scenes took place at either Newman and Jabot and most of us were bored to tears. NOw this soap moved and I'm loving it.

BWAHHHH!!! LOL! Still picking myself off the floor from the over-the-top comments from the hysterical LAME fan: "And pray tell me how does LANE, despite their HUGE FanBase which represents the Nation like no other......."

Good Grief.

Coffee_Junkie now be nice! *LOL*

Regyreg, do you recall back in the day when Y&R draggwed on and on? Scenes took place at either Newman and Jabot and most of us were bored to tears. NOw this soap moved and I'm loving it.
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Y&R via my momma and sisters and my daddy was always a "grown folk soap."

They got it and the ratings reflected that. My grandma use to say, "I don't know about all that crazy mess over there on them other soaps...Young and Restless is where it at baby..."

True to because it is the one soap that use to make you think. The intelligent show.

We cut Maria some slack. Now it is time for an intervention. You know lol....

"Maria we want to talk to you about something...We all came here because we care about this show..."

And then she can say "come on in the drinks is on me!"

By the way this was some good Y&R here back in the day...

http://bit.ly/ifIOg

Y&R is still good. Stop hatin', David, and enjoy the show while it's still on the air. And the comparasions to Passions make no sense whatsoever. Y&R is full-service Marriott while Passions was the Motel 6 of daytime TV. Yes, I love old school Y&R, but I'm simply making a point that the show has evolved. I miss the old background music, Katherine's sitting down in the opening credits while Rex put on her necklace, and Jill strutting her stuff down the Abbott staircase, but this is 2009, my brotha. Grandma's watching "Judge Mathis" and "Divorce Court" instead of tuning into her "stories" and it's sad. That's why MAB is pushing the envelope. You can't blame her for doing what she has to in order to keep Y&R on the air.

I know for a fact some boy is going to appear in Genoe City proclaiming to be Neil's son from an affair he had in college.

My poor Grandma. She loves Lane and I mean LOVE them. She was pissed the other day when Nikki/Chloe/Phyllis made them do that photo shoot where they fell on the dog's poo. Between this and Adam cheating on Heather, I don't know what my poor Gammy is going to do.

BigDede, your poor Grandma. What does she in Vail Bloom? Heather is a terrible prosecutor. She prosecutes vindictively and then is willing to use her power as a DA to help Adam, her criminal boyfriend. How many prosecutors are allowed to keep their jobs while sleeping with a convict?

Y&R is still good. Stop hatin', David, and enjoy the show while it's still on the air. And the comparasions to Passions make no sense whatsoever. Y&R is full-service Marriott while Passions was the Motel 6 of daytime TV. Yes, I love old school Y&R, but I'm simply making a point that the show has evolved. I miss the old background music, Katherine's sitting down in the opening credits while Rex put on her necklace, and Jill strutting her stuff down the Abbott staircase, but this is 2009, my brotha. Grandma's watching "Judge Mathis" and "Divorce Court" instead of tuning into her "stories" and it's sad. That's why MAB is pushing the envelope. You can't blame her for doing what she has to in order to keep Y&R on the air.

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In the black department Passions surpasses Y&R 100 times over. They were allowed to be characters. Eve was front and center for most of it run and beats all black actresses in the amount of episodes featured. Tracey Ross who played Eve averaged about 210 Episodes a year for most of the Run Ameila Marshall Liz was a bitch and villain. Whitney and Chad were the only teen black couple on soaps in forever. NBC had entire promo's centered around Tracey Ross's Eve. And for a few years Eve was the Central character on Passions.
For months Tracey Ross Eve was voted as the favorite character in Soap Opera Digest weekly poll and Eve and Julian were the favorite couple. They gave the juicy storylines to blacks as well as whites and were not regulated to social issues only.

As for ratings if she wants to increase the ratings pushing the envelope is not what needs to be done.

Bring back Victoria Rowell and see what that does for the ratings. Focus on character driven storylines. Bring back little Nate all grown up. Get rid of Tyra and bring Renee Jones from Days over to Y&R with James Reynolds where they could flourish. Cause Days ain't doing much with the Carvers and both soaps are with Sony. So it shouldn't be a problem.

These Passionsqeue storylines are why the ratings are dropping now. I know it. I could write this show better Hell, Slammer, and Heffer. Like someone else said Ed Scott needs to return, as does Sally Sussman Morina, and Kay Alden. They wrote Y&R the best post Bell.

josstheguy, I have no idea but my grandma loves that character of Heather. I watch the show with her and if I make a comment about Heather that is bad, she will snap on me. She loves that Heather is tough and doesn't let people (mostly Victor) bully her. She also loves that she does her job no matter what. That's my grandma. But at least she hates this new Mac. I just can't wait until she sees that scene where Adam kisses/has sex with Rafe. LOL her head will blow up.

David,

I don't think poor Rene Jones couldn't take having to pack up her Days dressing room in boxes another time! That poor woman has seen the revolving door too many times to count.

Given that Y&R is built around families, I'm not sure where Reynolds and Jones would fit. I'd like to see Reynolds as a competitor to Victor. Realistically, I don't expect Reynolds to leave Days. I think you should read James Reynolds interview by Nelson Branco at Tvguide.ca. It's revealing.

If you think Y&R does a bad job with blacks, take a look at Days and GH. GH, in particular, does a piss poor job of using actors of color. Who's on the canvas today? Epiphany and Dr. Lee. Both are given little to do except toss a few one liners.

Lily has cancer. Why not? This puts Lily on the front burner. Let's see where this story goes. I can't see Lily dying. Why would Y&R ax one of its most popular characters? Do we know if the actress, Khalil, wants to leave?

Hey, David, you are on point about the crazy hijinks that many fans are kind of not liking on Y&R. This is the most realistic soap on air, even though it is a fictional soap with characters though they go to out there sometimes, but I hope that it isn't plot to move the s/l along because it is the most character driven soap on air and I hope the staff doesn't lose sight of that.

siomonstuart2003,

I'm loving most of the storylines on GL (minus the craptacular screw over of the Winters). I disagree with you about Y&R not having a history of being over the top. This show has always been big, bold, and brassy.

I like Y&R so much more than last year's saga of Victor being put on trial and the rest of that crap. This year sings!

The show needs to hire Lawrence Saint-Victor as Nate. Then sic him on Amber or Victoria. Followed up by the return of Victoria Rowell.

My grandma gets on me when i say this so i know others will as well but i fast foward threw all of cane and lilys scenes eveytime cos i dont feel what eveyone else is feeling dont know why but i dont...but sometimes i regret it cos cane is wraped up in this not the real phillip story so i have to back track...lol...so all i can say about this one is bring back good ole SM and i keep praying and praying that maybe this will be a reason to have my Dru return from the riverside hotel shes been at....

I find myself agreeing with David once again.

First off, I think the storyline is a good idea because it will add another layer to Lily. It will give her a meaty storyline and change to deliver a powerhouse performance that will show how underrated CK has been. This will give the show a chance to have Lily deal with the loss of her last pregnancy, her feelings about seeing Chloe's belly grow big with what she thought was Cane's baby and how she's trying to recreate her pre-Chloe life.

But why in the hell would these writers go with the Final Solution of removing Lily's uterus, ovaries and fallopian tubes to render it impossible for her to bear a child for any of these white men that she marries??? This has happened to no other family or character (except for black Aunt Olivia).

In true Reich...er... I mean Rauch form, I see the Winters disappearing. Neil is already at Chancellor (which nobody has even seen since the '70s). Devon is back to be a pervert by having wet dreams about his not-Aunt. (Does somebody on writing team need counseling or what??) I think the goal is to make Pervon so disgusting, that the viewers will be happy to see him go. Then, they can trot their token Neil out every couple of months to keep all the black people happy. They will make Lily infertile in a way that very much similar to the U.S. Eugenics program (that, all the way up through the mid-'70s, had black women going into the hospital for one thing (like the birth of a child) only to wake up with an unplanned hysterectomy after the fact - without their knowledge or consent. Some of these women didn't find out they had no uterus until years later). But we're supposed to be OK with it because Lily finds out when she wakes up, right?

Y&R finally took the step of allowing an interracial marriage only to pull the rug out and made damn SURE that Lily, a private-school-educated, rich socialite was too black and too dirty to be married to a core-family like the Chancellors. So what did they do? They made Cane and Phillip 3 into frauds rather than have Lily be Mrs. Winters-Ashby-Chancellor, heiress and mother to a new generation of little caramel Chancellors. Lily IS the future of the winters - she and Neil and the only blood relatives left on the show and they're making damn sure that they're the last generation.

Perhaps while white-washing the show, we should white-wash all the black people from their ratings too. After all, they don't give a shit about us anyway.

Pure-Diva,

Your comments on Lily's fertility and being married to a fake Chanellor seem misguided.

Y&R did not unmake Cane a Chancellor. This was part of Cane's story from the start. Shortly after Cane was accepted as a Chancellor, he was shown talking on the phone explaining that he was "in." At this time, Cane was paired with Amber. The show dropped this plot point as the character became more popular. Now it's being fixed along with a lot of other plot points from the ex-head writer's work:

1) Jill is no longer Katherine's Daughter

2) Can being unmasked as a fraud

3) Abbotts returning to control Jabot

Bring back Phillip III also allows the show to mine its deep history of a character who was killed off to the dismay of many fans. From what's been written, the character may also come back and reveal that he's gay, which would might explain his alcoholism and faking of his death at age 18/19.

I'm disappointed with the lack of storyline and use of African-American and other people of color on Y&R. However, I don't feel that Lily having ovarian cancer is an attempt to prevent any black births on the show.

As for Lily's pairings with white men. That's a double edged sword. Because Christel Khalil's character has been allowed to have relationships with white men, she had not been segregated into the Winters' bubble. Instead, Khalil interracts with many other actors.

I'd like to see a stable loving relationship of black characters on Y&R. However, from what we know of Y&R and soaps. Stable relationships don't last for long. The biggest love stories on soaps involve couples uniting, dissolving, and joining again. Victor and Nikki, Victor and Ashley, and Sharon and Nick are all examples of this.

In real life, Christel Khalil is only 22 years old. But look at her on this show. She's had 3 high profile stories over the years and is now involved in her first supercouple relationship.

As for Devon, I'm not a fan of his burgeoning feelings for Tyra. It doesn't make sense and seems ill-conceived.

What is disturbing about Y&R is that there are only 2 actors of color on contract. All of the other actors are recurring: Bryton McClure, Eva Marcelle, and Yani Gellman. That does not bode well for the Winters family. So, I do take to heart your thoughts on Neil being the last man standing by himself.

Brittany, honey, you need to go back on the MEDS. 'Cause you are one crazy bitch if you think anyone has a "racist agenda."

It's REALLY offensive that you would compare someone to a KKK member simply because they aren't writing for your couple.

That's the reason MAB is great for the show, because she's writing for the WHOLE show and ALL the characters, and not just to prop certain couples, especially Cane and Lily, who are about as exciting to watch as two flies fucking.